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Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Animats on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:08PM (#13925725)
There's no way to report a counterfeit on Amazon unless you're claiming a violation of your own IP rights. I've complained about fake solid state relays. There are lots of fake "Fotek" solid state relays. UL has noticed.[1] The fakes are usually marked with much higher amp ratings than they can handle safely. Look at this "100 amp" fake "Fotek" relay on Amazon.[2] Fotek doesn't even make a 100 amp relay in that packaging. [3] 100 amps requires bigger terminals.

These things tend to fail into the ON state, which is not good. Or they melt down or catch fire under full load.

[1] http://www.ul.com/newsroom/publicnotices/ul-warns-of-solid-s... [2] https://www.amazon.com/Commoon-FOTEK-24V-380V-SSR-100DA-Modu... [3] http://www.fotek.com.tw/center1.asp?classNo=4&class2_sn=16

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by r00fus on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:46PM (#13926566)
Apple has filed suit against an Amazon supplier as well [1]. Even Apple can't police Amazon's cruft.

The issue here remains, if Amazon profits from fake items, why are they not responsible for the outcomes?

Do they live in some alternate reality where they don't have to play by the same rules?

[1] http://www.computerworld.com/article/3133627/technology-law-...

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jjeaff on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:35PM (#13927887)
Yes. They are a "tech" company. It's not breaking the law it's "disrupting". See Uber, Airbnb, etc.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @12:30AM (#13928464)
They're not ripping people off, they're Moving Fast And Breaking Things!
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jjeaff on Thursday March 23, 2017 @03:42PM (#13943449)
They're not screwing investors, they're "failing fast".
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by cwkoss on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @08:31PM (#13927583)
Seems like a smart lawyer could make a good chunk of change from Amazon if they can reliably acquire counterfeit goods and sue on behalf of the brand.

http://apps.americanbar.org/litigation/committees/intellectu...

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ThrustVectoring on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @12:57AM (#13928569)
This actually seems to be an edge case that falls through the rules as written. You can't know that you're peddling counterfeit goods without violating the law, but you can negligently "whoops-didn't-mean-to" sell counterfeit goods. And as soon as you officially know, you put a hard halt to things there. So the manufacturer has to play whack-a-mole with the counterfeit suppliers to various points in the supply chain.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by komali2 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:10PM (#13925745)
Yea, this annoyed me when I was buying a camera. Blatantly fake products that even had things in the description like "navigate to www (dot) spamhackwebsite (dot) com to purhcase![sp]" but I had to send a general support ticket to report.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by chx on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:27PM (#13926423)
Oh yeah, there's a charger which has a fake ETL Mark, Intertek put out a notice http://www.intertek.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=34359... but the product is still out there.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by tadblarney on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @08:47PM (#13927670)
"There's no way to report a counterfeit on Amazon unless you're claiming a violation of your own IP rights"

I feel this is problematic - one would think that AMZN would want to at least have a 'heads up' with respect to these issues very quickly to look into them, you know, to protect their brand?

Because if Amazon is selling you 'XYZ' and it's a knock-off - they are part of the crime.

Rather odd.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by emaste on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:46PM (#13927928)
I ordered a pair of SD cards from a FBA Amazon seller which turned out to be counterfeit. I used Amazon's contact form to report these, and was told to just initiate a return.

I think I chose "Item not as described" as the reason in a drop-down, and entered "Counterfeit" in a comment box, but someone later changed it to some benign-sounding reason. I got a refund on my credit card, but now have the impression that Amazon just does not care. That experience and stories like this here convinced me to first look elsewhere when I need something.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by mattwinslow on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @12:18AM (#13928434)
If you want to ding the seller further, leave a negative feedback response (for the seller) on that order.

Mark the reason as "item not as described" and don't add any additional text that would allow the seller to claim the feedback was "product related / a product review".

Speaking from experience as an FBA seller for the past seven years, those are nearly impossible to dispute with Amazon's seller support staff...even when the buyer is incorrect (ie they contact you via the messaging system and admit to buying the wrong product or misreading the product description). Enough negative feedback ratings and the seller's account can go under review and/or be closed.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by kalleboo on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @01:07AM (#13928600)
But if the item was commingled, then it wasn't that FBA seller's fault and you're punishing someone who's innocent...
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by dawnerd on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @01:21AM (#13928647)
Guess the lesson here is, if you're a FBA seller and you don't want that risk, opt out of comingling.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by mattwinslow on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @08:26AM (#13930318)
If you wanted to be sure it was warranted, take a look at the seller's feedback prior to leaving yours. If there's a hint of buyers with similar issues - fire away with a clear conscience.

If you've opened a dialogue with the seller via the messaging system, you should attach a picture of the item with its packaging. IF the seller is innocent (and consistent in their processes re: labeling), they might be able to open a case with Amazon along the lines of "this was commingled inventory - we always apply our label vertically over the item's barcode and our customer received an item packaged with the barcode applied horizontally...therefore you sent the customer another seller's inventory."

That would be a semi-tenuous case to make, but would have a flying chance of working, particularly if the seller had an inbound shipment for the same SKU that was due to arrive at an Amazon warehouse and had left prior to the customer's issue surfacing.

In general though, if there's a shred of doubt...don't worry about the innocent seller. The seller (hopefully) has enough sales volume that your feedback will be lost in the crowd. If not, well, maybe they aren't a good fit for Amazon and you're doing everyone a favor.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by aninhumer on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @01:43AM (#13928709)
The seller is responsible for delivering the product you paid for.

If they use a fulfilment service which cannot reliably achieve that, it's their problem, just as it would be if they used an unreliable courier.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by tadblarney on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @10:53PM (#13928149)
Well - if it said 'counterfeit' then they would be in legal trouble. So at very least, they 'changed it' for that legal reason.

It's possibly 'they may care' but are overwhelmed, and just ignore the little stuff, or can't reasonably hunt down every entity.

It's also possible that they don't care, and will only clam down on it enough to stay out of jail.

It's also possible they do care, and they make money from it.

For direct sales though - this is a problem. If it's some 3rd party - that's one thing - but from their inventory? Bad. Very bad.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ThrustVectoring on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:44AM (#13928905)
Noooooo, they definitely would NOT want to know about this. It turns unknowingly trafficking in counterfeit goods (not a crime) into knowingly trafficking in counterfeit goods (definitely a crime).
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Twisell on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @04:03AM (#13929195)
So if some layer gather enough evidence of "redacted" return complains this should provide a ground for a big class action?