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Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @04:11AM (#13905925)
A hundred trivial fixes? More like 3 trivial fixes max! Jesus christ, Linux isn't that complicated. You're likely to run into a similar number of problems setting up your scanner on Windows! I've run Linux on desktops and laptops for years with next to no problems.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by DanBC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @06:23AM (#13906256)
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254322

That's a 156 page thread. The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine.

And that machine isn't particularly unusual in its class.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:06AM (#13906400)
I will concede that ASUS laptops tend to take a year or two to sort out. But they do get sorted out - as far as I can tell most of the issues mentioned in that thread are also solved in that thread. Did you read any of it?
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by DanBC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:16AM (#13906442)
I've read all of it.

It's a considerable amount of work for an average user to get a working Ubuntu, and even after all that work there are still things (headphone audio ffs) that don't work.

This thread is about how people today should move off Windows, and how it is trivially easy to do so.

I agree people should move off windows. I disagree that it's trivially easy to do so, especially for these class of netbook style machine. I think that your advice (basically "wait until the kernel is updated") is proof that there are problems with these machines.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:27AM (#13906471)
ASUS is the exception, not the norm, and dealbreaker bugs are generally only found in recent models. My point is that for nearly everyone, switching to Linux is easy, and people who generalize the whole platform as broken are spreading FUD.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by 21 on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:45AM (#13907020)
So I tried yesterday installing (as a dual boot) Ubuntu on my desktop. 3 year old system, Intel 4770 CPU, Gigabyte motherboard, nothing fancy.

Ubuntu 16.10 wouldn't boot from a USB stick, with some PM error and the CPU watchdog errors.

Fine, go to all the trouble of plugging in a DVD drive, go out, buy a blank DVD. Same thing. The Ubuntu installation media just hangs with an error. Googling that didn't help.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by ygaf on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:34AM (#13906495)
> Did you read any of it?

How weaselly. His conclusion is plain to see:

"The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine"

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:39AM (#13906507)
How do you figure that as weasely? You could easily argue that posting a link to a 150+ page forum thread with a dozen serious issues in the OP is misleading when today only one minor issue is outstanding.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by DanBC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @08:14AM (#13906640)
One minor issue?

You seem to misunderstand that thread.

If you do a stock install of Ubuntu you'll have very many, showstopping, errors.

If you use a custom script that forces a custom bootloader, custom kernel, and a bunch of other fixes, you end up with a machine that still doesn't have headphone audio and some problems with bluetooth.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @08:27AM (#13906687)
The relevant kernel changes are shipping in 4.11, though. Bluetooth seems to be working according to the latest messages. What's this about a custom bootloader? The other fixes so far as I can tell are pretty easily applied in <20 minutes work. It seems very do-able to get this laptop working correctly, especially when 4.11 ships.

A self-defeatist attitude won't make this more comfortable. If you don't like that Windows 10 is full of ads and spyware, the time investment to get this laptop working seems pretty small in exchange for a better OS. Throw in a little extra time to get these fixes applied in the form of patches to the relevant projects. If everyone gave up because they can't put a few minutes into troubleshooting and tweaking their setups, Linux will never grow to the threshold necessary to get vendors to support it OOTB.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by ygaf on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:43AM (#13906524)
You didn't dispute his conclusion (the topic being whether linux requires 3 trivial fixes max) , settling for undermining his post in general.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:50AM (#13906554)
You're just picking nits here.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by fauigerzigerk on Sunday March 19, 2017 @06:18AM (#13906241)
Interestingly, there's always someone like you making such claims in every online debate about Linux on laptop. And yet I have never succeeded in making Linux run as well as Windows or macOS on any of my laptops over decades.

I never seem to have one of those unicorn hardware/driver combinations that perform well, don't drain battery, don't run hot and don't break on dist-upgrade. I have researched my issues every single time because I would prefer to use Linux for many reasons, but the fixes I find are often partial, temporary and fragile. Eventually I give up and go back to macOS or Windows.

dist-upgrade almost always breaks things for me, especially all those hard fought for fixes. And it's not just minor things that break. Last time (Ubuntu 16.04 to 16.10) networking stopped working completely because some maintainer had decided that network manager should no longer manage wired connections on my particular variant of Ubuntu.