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Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by hueving on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:34AM (#13905445)
Wealth redistribution is nothing close to what they want. Creating more welfare with no jobs still leaves them with no opportunities. That still leaves them with ample depression and boredom to develop drug habits.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by swang on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:06AM (#13905563)
"wealth redistribution" is not giving them free money, or "welfare" as you call it.

it is an attempt to provide them with funding for better schools, better healthcare, better access to training. hell, better funding for roads or technology so children who are not near major cities don't have to drive far to get access to education.

i have been the beneficiary of "wealth redistribution" and what happened? i grew up, got a job that pays well, and have contributed back to society and economy (with at the very least, tax dollars). there have been studies that show that providing funding for education or into the sciences gives back a large positive ROI.

yet one side continues to advocate for cutting education, healthcare, nasa, neah... all in the name of giving back to the top 1% of the most wealthy.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by Frondo on Sunday March 19, 2017 @12:41PM (#13908098)
If they want jobs so badly, why aren't they making them? Why are they waiting for some outside force to come in and give them employment?

I mean, if this is about self-empowerment, saying you need a factory to move in to start doing anything is about as far from being self-empowered as setting up a UBI.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by hueving on Sunday March 19, 2017 @06:08PM (#13909963)
No, it's about contributing to society with work.

Being given UBI, you don't get any fulfillment from work or a feeling of contributing back to society.

If you bring in jobs, even just government jobs, people get a feeling of contributing because they work to produce something or provide a service and they pay taxes.

>If they want jobs so badly, why aren't they making them?

This is as stupid as saying, why don't poor people stop being poor by getting money? Good paying jobs take big investments that nobody cares to make. Look at orgs like Y combinator and other VCs. They will rarely even hear a pitch from someone not living in the bay area.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by Frondo on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:45PM (#13916607)
But again, it comes down to.. "We want to be self-empowered, self-reliant! Corporations, save us! Governments, give us a job! We can't have meaning unless someone comes in from outside to give us things to do!"

Grow up, rural folks. Figure this shit out for yourselves, if you want to be so self-reliant.