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Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by coldtea on Saturday March 18, 2017 @08:53PM (#13904449)
>I'm aware that Windows 10 is a "free" OS, but trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs.

That would make sense if the benefits were more than the costs. Which, for the average people, aren't.

Just the hassle of using a new interface, much less one that needs more admin work like Linux, is enough. And let's not go with compatibility with the various tasks people do.

(And no, most people don't just "browse and read email". They also want to be able to see all kinds of videos, they want to be able to do stuff with Office documents they receive, they want to transfer and/or edit their daughter's birthday videos, and so on...).

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Silhouette on Saturday March 18, 2017 @09:46PM (#13904679)
That would make sense if the benefits were more than the costs. Which, for the average people, aren't.

I'm not so sure any more. The average home user probably does most of their stuff online these days, and you can see your friends' photos on Facebook or write a message in Google Mail or access your online banking or watch a show on Netflix just as well on pretty much any platform today.

What desktop applications do most home users really run now? Gaming, sure, for part of the market. Maybe some basic spreadsheets or word processing documents or accounting for organising household stuff or writing the odd letter that still needs sending on paper.

Other than that, you're probably into niche territory. There are a lot of niches, and no doubt some of them still rely on Windows desktop software or Windows drivers for related hardware, but they're niches because most people aren't that interested in them. And even then, for significant fields such as programming or graphics/creative work, many of the interesting developments in recent years have been on non-Windows platforms and it's the Windows software that tends to lag behind.

Remember, one popular switch already is from Windows to Linux, when home users dump the traditional PC entirely and just do things on their Android phones/tablets instead.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by quanticle on Saturday March 18, 2017 @10:27PM (#13904811)
>There are a lot of niches, and no doubt some of them still rely on Windows desktop software or Windows drivers for related hardware, but they're niches because most people aren't that interested in them.

Each individual niche is tiny, but once you add up all the niches, it adds up to a significant part of the market. Windows has a huge "tail" of niche software on it, and just finding substitutes on Linux is a daunting task, to say nothing of actually getting back up to the same level of productivity as one had on Windows.

>Remember one popular switch already is from Windows to Linux, when home users dump the traditional PC entirely and just do things on their Android phones/tablets instead

Is that an actual trend? Yes, PC sales have slowed down. All that means is that the PC market has reached saturation. Pretty much every household already has one PC that meets their needs. I don't see any evidence to indicate that people are throwing away their computers and using their phones and tablets exclusively.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday March 18, 2017 @11:08PM (#13904927)
> Each individual niche is tiny, but once you add up all the niches, it adds up to a significant part of the market.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

> Is that an actual trend?

It points to a solution anyway. Have one family PC with Windows to run the one niche app you need, but don't put Windows on anything else. Even if the other devices are laptops and not tablets, it still works.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Silhouette on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:04AM (#13905306)
Each individual niche is tiny, but once you add up all the niches, it adds up to a significant part of the market.

Perhaps, but certainly not all of the market, and (I'm guessing) probably not even most of it. It won't be everyone all the time, but surely there are numerous people using Windows PCs today who could switch quite easily to another platform and carry on using their online services without too much hassle.

Is that an actual trend?

I'm pretty sure it is. Over the past few years, we've watched access patterns on B2C sites shift steadily from mostly PC to mostly mobile, and Android dominates most segments of the mobile market today. I suspect that at this point the PC, smartphone and tablet markets are all close to saturation, but device lifecycles are longer in the PC market so people are getting access to more powerful and higher spec mobile devices sooner, which is making the shift more practical.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by cutler on Saturday March 18, 2017 @09:05PM (#13904500)
Linux sometimes isn't even compatible with standard open source software. Recently I installed Lubuntu LTS on a 5-year-old Celeron laptop and was dismayed to see LibreOffice with clunky grey window borders looking like a 1998 Java applet. The menu bar was also blacked-out. The owner was not impressed.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by lutusp on Saturday March 18, 2017 @09:28PM (#13904604)
Your basic point is legitimate, but in passing I want to say that in Linux distributions you can change the windows decorators/formats to suit yourself, often including a theme designed to resemble Windows.

Not to detract from the point you're making, which is quite valid.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by recursive on Saturday March 18, 2017 @11:21PM (#13904966)
On Windows, you can change the presence of ads in Explorer to suit yourself also.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by H4CK3RM4N on Saturday March 18, 2017 @11:44PM (#13905045)
But advertising/"telemetry" preferences seem to accidentally get reset every few forced upgrades.
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by tuwtuwtuw on Sunday March 19, 2017 @03:14AM (#13905769)
Which advertising preferences in Windows have you seen with this?
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by lutusp on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:50PM (#13908566)
The earlier post is correct -- as time passes Microsoft changes the advertising configuration within Windows. For example, the presence of advertising within File Explorer is a new development. Earlier, harangues about Edge being a superior browser when one launches any other browser (or tries to change the default system browser) suddenly made its appearance and is now a fact of life.

It was once possible to disable advertising about OneDrive, but Microsoft has reconfigured things so that's no longer possible without deep hacking (no user-level configuration options). There's an "Uninstall" option attached to the OneDrive client's listing in the Start menu, but if you choose the option, instead of uninstalling the OneDrive client, the system opens the Control Panel Programs & Features applet, where OneDrive is nowhere listed.

As time passes the advertising is becoming more aggressive and less controllable. On February 14th a commercial announcement related to Valentine's Day appeared, but I wasn't able to track it to its source. Just one example -- Microsoft is jealous of Google and they're becoming an imitation.

The deep issue here is that corporations have to decide how to most efficiently grow their companies. Do they pay attention to customers, or stockholders? At some point in the past (I think it was during the Reagan years) corporations turned their backs on customers and made stockholders the focus of their attention. And from a corporate perspective, it was a good choice, because customers are fickle and unpredictable, but stockholders only care about quarterly earnings reports -- no earnings and they walk.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by AsyncAwait on Sunday March 19, 2017 @07:02AM (#13906389)
Changing the look of window borders vs having ads and telemetry baked into my OS and being opt out by default are a bit different.

Also, there's plenty of distros that look great out of the box.

Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by Sir_Cmpwn on Saturday March 18, 2017 @11:53PM (#13905073)
"You can turn off ads" is clearly much, much different from "you can change the appearance". Are you serious?
Re:Windows 10 is bringing ads to File Explorer – how to turn... by recursive on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:07AM (#13905313)
Yeah, I'm serious. Two "much"es in from of "different". They seem more similar than different to me in this context. We're talking about changing operating systems based on the preferences of the user.