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Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by ams6110 on Monday March 13, 2017 @09:44PM (#13864296)
Nobody will finance a 20 year old car (outside of specialty collector markets).

Even 72, 84 months is insane. If you need to finance a car for that long to afford the payments, you need to buy a cheaper car.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by eganist on Monday March 13, 2017 @09:58PM (#13864360)
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/02/us-borrowers-are-paying-more-...

> Average monthly payment: $503 — the first time the average auto payment has gone over the $500 mark.

> Average term for an auto loan: 68 months — this is the longest average term ever seen by Experian.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by rhizome on Monday March 13, 2017 @10:31PM (#13864491)
Wow, this comes as great news for me. I felt terrible for years because I was paying 600/mo for a (special) car, that I paid off in exactly 5 years. I had a perfect storm of circumstances occur just as I was getting the loan, the banks no longer liked the risk, so it was financed by, like, the dealer's used car buddy a few cities over, and for a not-awesome rate. Long story short, all's well that ends well, still have the car, and I'm not as far off from the "average worst" as I thought.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by cylinder on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @12:32AM (#13865017)
I don't understand how people spend so much on cars when their net worth is under $5 million.

Do people not remember the economy can go in the toilet really fast? Why aren't people constantly scared and thus saving as much as possible and acquiring good assets? Even if the economy stays strong, your own career or profession can go bad or get disrupted real fast.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by matt_wulfeck on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @01:35AM (#13865272)
Personally I drive a fairly crappy car that I paid cash for, but I can see why people spend more on cars. Like cell phones they are luxury items that provide daily benefit to you. This is especially true if you're commuting long distances. For others a car is an extension of their personality. I'm not saying I agree with this mentality, but I understand it.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by dvtv75 on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @02:11AM (#13865412)
I don't think this is really about cars as much as it is about saving, and I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself: my job pays crap. My last job paid crap. When my current workplace folds (which is likely to happen, and within a year) my next job will also be crap. It's not that the companies are poor, it's not that they're making little off my labor, they're making a packet, they just have a "take it or leave it" attitude towards pay. If they paid better - even just a reasonable rate - I would be saving as much as I possibly could.

As far as why people buy high end cars when they're not very rich, going into significant debt, I suspect it's because a car is a status symbol for so many people. If I could do without a car, I would. I'd be saving about $200 a month on my current expenses if I didn't need one - it's just a crappy old Mazda wagon, certainly no status symbol there.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by 90002 on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @02:35AM (#13865510)
For one, poor people don't usually have any money left over to save after covering most immediate expenses. The average person sucks at saving, but it's tougher to do with weak or volatile income.

The unfortunate reality is that (most) subprime borrowers don't have the luxury to consider catastrophic events that can occur in the future because they are too busy worried about today.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by tracker1 on Monday March 13, 2017 @10:27PM (#13864467)
My current car is financed at 60 months... First time I've ever gone above 48. Will definitely be shopping used next time around.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by jgalt212 on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @09:10AM (#13867181)
> Even 72, 84 months is insane. If you need to finance a car for that long to afford the payments, you need to buy a cheaper car.

Not sure I agree with that. My 72 month car loan, clearly not subprime, is 3%. I have better immediate uses for my money, I'm sure most folks can beat 3% returns over a 72 month horizon as long as your not paying 2 and 20.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by nikanj on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @04:44AM (#13865979)
The shop down the street advertises 72 months completely interest free. Assuming it's not a blatant lie, of course I would sign up for 72 months instead of 12, regardless of what I could afford. That's 60 months of me getting return on whatever investments I make.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by Spooky23 on Monday March 13, 2017 @10:32PM (#13864494)
All of the safety and fuel regulations have sent the prices of cars into the stratosphere.

Any kind of large car that you would want for a family is well north of $30. I paid as much more for a 1 year old minivan recently than I paid for a year old BMW 15 years ago.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by drfuchs on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @01:37PM (#13869645)
No, safety and fuel regulations did not send prices of cars into the stratosphere. In the 1960's suburbs of Philadelphia, gas was 30 cents a gallon, a nice new car was $3k, the house cost $30k, and Dad made $10k as a VP of engineering at a small firm. Right now, all three are almost exactly 10x what they were then; so cars have not gone up more than regular inflation.

And, to top it off, today's car reliability is way, way higher, as is the quality (in the 60's, we were thrilled if a car lasted 6 years and got 80k miles; nowadays, that's about half of what you'd expect. And the safety is wildly improved (like, for instance, air bags, never mind seat belts!)

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by Zachery on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:05PM (#13877068)
Don't forget maintenance! Old cars needed far more maintenance far more often. This 6-7k miles every 6 months thing is just absurd.

Cars got oil changes every 1k miles, not 3k or 7k. Just for starters.

Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by chiph on Monday March 13, 2017 @10:52PM (#13864565)
It's not just the additional mandated safety & economy features - buyers these days expect things like power windows and infotainment systems to be on the car. The only modern cars I know of with hand-crank windows are the sub-$15k cars like the Nissan Versa Note and the Ford Focus S.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by ltdanimal on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @01:08AM (#13865172)
I mean prices are going to be a little inflated over 15 years. Also you can get an incredible vehicle for $15 grand that is a few years old. Those safety requirements are something people (especially with families) are thankful for when they are put to use.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by Spooky23 on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @11:58AM (#13868617)
Absolutely, but while the cost of a car almost doubled, average salary increased far more slowly.
Re:U.S. Subprime Auto Loan Losses Reach Highest Level Since ... by ams6110 on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @12:22AM (#13864970)
You can get a nice, large used family car or minivan for much less than $30K. More like $10-15K. You can find good examples for less if you are patient.