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Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by watwut on Monday March 13, 2017 @06:22PM (#13863052)
To your last paragraph: if the girl think programming is male occupation girls are not naturaly interested in, she won't consider it nor try it. If she won't try it, there is no way for her to find out she like it or love it.

I was told multiple times girls are just not good nor interested by people who knew I plan to study computer science. Had I not met teacher in school who showed me interesting parts and treated me realy equally, I would have no idea it can be potentially something for me.

If you would be a guy who work in kindergaden and knit for hobby, your theories about gender not matering would hold something. You have systematically picked occupations that have no risk in feminizing you nor has "but women do it naturally better" element of.

Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by ar15saveslives on Monday March 13, 2017 @07:09PM (#13863424)
"Not consider nor try it" means that she doesn't have interest in programming. You don't need anyone's opinion to start programming or knitting, or learning Mandarin. If you like it, you do it for yourself, and then someone starts paying money for things that you know and love.

P.S.: it's funny but I knitted. My aunt taught me and I knitted a scarf. It rolled up and became a tube, and I lost interest after that fail. :-)

Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by Arizhel on Monday March 13, 2017 @09:17PM (#13864148)
That's funny, I knitted too when I was a kid. It didn't last very long either. I think I was about 8 years old.

I have to agree: if you like something, you just do it. But I guess a lot of people just can't bear to do anything without getting approval from their social circle first.

Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by imjustsaying on Tuesday March 14, 2017 @05:18AM (#13866100)
>To your last paragraph: if the girl think programming is male occupation girls are not naturaly interested in, she won't consider it nor try it.

I'd like to see a source on a paper that finds evidence that supports this theory.

As far as I know all the gender study department grant money thrown at this has not been able to produce data to convincingly affirm that hypothesis.

Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by alexssung on Monday March 13, 2017 @06:26PM (#13863096)
This has to be the worst post I've read on HN so far.
Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by watwut on Monday March 13, 2017 @06:32PM (#13863139)
Why? Guys who want to work with little children are discriminated against even more - some parents are evenjoying afraid of them. I don't think it was that bad comparison.
Re:On Programming Languages: Why My Dad Went from Programmin... by Arizhel on Monday March 13, 2017 @09:25PM (#13864177)
We're not talking about job discrimination here, we're talking about learning something because of personal interest. Being discriminated against in employment is a separate issue that comes later after you're actually qualified for such a job (or maybe after you've got the job).

There's plenty of men, I believe, who would be interested in working with little children, but who avoid those professions because of the social stigma. It's sensible to avoid a profession if you think you're going to have a very hard time gaining employment in it, or will suffer a lot socially for it (many people seem to think such men are pedophiles).

But we're talking here about people learning something out of personal interest. You don't need anyone's approval to learn programming, nor many other things. But many things do require more resources to learn; aircraft piloting for instance. You're not going to ever do that for free, though you can learn some of it with a software simulator fairly cheaply. Sailing is another that comes to mind; that's pretty impossible to learn I think without having an actual sailboat. But programming is comparatively easy; all you need is a computer and internet connection, which these days are considered cheap and ubiquitous. The software is all free; you can download absolutely everything you need, including an OS. There's an absolute plethora of websites and forums to go to to learn more (e.g. StackExchange). The barrier to entry is ridiculously low. But you do need time, and personal interest and drive. Now maybe you'll have some trouble gaining employment after you've learned it, esp. since you don't have a college degree in a related field, but that's another subject. The original article here was about someone already working in programming, who didn't bother to learn another language.