Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by j_s on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:39AM
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Yes, domain fronting through Google App Engine is already helping Signal bypass censorship: https://whispersystems.org/blog/doodles-stickers-censorship/
Currently domain-based filtering is probably too small a proportion of traffic to even care about, but as ease-of-use comes to the masses there may come a point where the pro-ad side will implement this.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by Xylakant on Monday March 13, 2017 @12:39PM
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As far a I understand domain fronting works by sending a different host in the SNI header than later in the actual http request, thus hiding the actual requested host from an adversary watching the connection from the outside.
This would require cooperation from the sending http stack, in this case the browser. I doubt that this is a viable option in this case.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by Xylakant on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:44AM
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You really wouldn't want them on google.com/something since restricting cookies to sub-uris is a painful mess. Subdomains is slightly easier, but also easier to block.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by jcfrei on Monday March 13, 2017 @01:46PM
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There has been a - now defunct - working group which tried to address the issue of setting cookies on sub URIs: https://www.w3.org/TR/csp-cookies/ Particularly interesting is the proposal by someone from Akamai: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2013Se... to include a path scope for cookies. I don't know if there are any more recent developments on cookies and their scope policies.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by M_Grey on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:39AM
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Would Google really want to do that? It might be the impetus some people need to say "fuck it" to Google.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by scottmf on Monday March 13, 2017 @01:19PM
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Then you whitelist individual pages and assets.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by SamBam on Monday March 13, 2017 @02:30PM
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...and never see new content?
What if the New York Times decided to host all ads themselves? nytimes.com/ad-42.jpg couldn't be distinguished from nytimes.com/todays-front-page-image.jpg
Obviously it's more likely for ad ad-provider like Google to do this, but even then, if there's new content from Google (say a blog post) I expect to be able to see it.
Re:Pi-hole – A black hole for Internet advertisements
by majewsky on Monday March 13, 2017 @06:12PM
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I'm pretty sure that /ad-.jpg or something like that is already a blocking pattern. But you're correct: I'm seeing ads on some smaller sites that host the ad banners on their own servers. And you know what? I'm okay with this. I explicitly use uMatrix instead of uBlock since blocking trackers and malware is more important to me than blocking ads. (Getting rid of the more annoying ads is a bonus, though, and I might change my mind if first-party ads become annoying, too.)
Sure, you could whitelist www.google.com, mail.google.com, etc, but couldn't they keep ahead of you if they were ok with using their main domain? They could even start using www.google.com/ad-id