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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by hueving on Monday March 13, 2017 @05:18AM (#13856318)
>california most definitely thinks

California is a state, it doesn't think. Please be more precise with commentary like this (e.g. state judicial rulings vs local laws vs state laws).

In this particular case it's the California Labor Commissioner's office and it's a ruling for one case. From your article:

>The ruling does not apply beyond Ms. Berwick and could be altered if Uber’s appeal succeeds.

So this is a long ways away from being a law in California.

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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by bildung on Monday March 13, 2017 @05:43AM (#13856422)
Let me introduce you to a wonderful element of human language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by mdpopescu on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:58AM (#13858929)
Or the reification fallacy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by hueving on Monday March 13, 2017 @05:49AM (#13856447)
I appreciate the condescension, but saying that a state thinks something when referring to an enforcement ruling from a particular office is very misleading. In particular you can say the state both simultaneously thinks that they are contractors (how the rest of the Uber employees are treated) and it thinks that they are not (the ruling outcome of this one case).

So saying a state thinks something when there are many conflicting internal positions is worthless and just ends up being a tool to push a particular political agenda.

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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by vertex-four on Monday March 13, 2017 @07:44AM (#13856918)
People actually think lots of apparently conflicting ideas - a common one being believing in religion and understanding science - and in fact the person you originally responded to pointed out the supposed "conflict" here - that individual contractors, despite being "independent" companies, may have collective bargaining rights.
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by hueving on Monday March 13, 2017 @01:59PM (#13860488)
The comment I replied to made it sound as if the state had some kind of position on the matter, but the linked evidence was only that a particular office ruled on one single case.

>california most definitely thinks they're workers,

This is blatantly wrong.

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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by __realtime on Monday March 13, 2017 @06:58AM (#13856727)
why are both your comments greyed out?
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by gambiting on Monday March 13, 2017 @07:03AM (#13856742)
That's what happens when comments get a lot of downvotes. You don't see a "karma" score on HN, but comments with negative number of votes get more and more grayed out until they are hardly visible.
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by hnbroseph on Monday March 13, 2017 @10:43AM (#13858174)
very poor content, presumably.
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by vinceguidry on Monday March 13, 2017 @11:43AM (#13858770)
It's not so much the content, it's the tone. People don't like being talked down to, even if the points are relevant.
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Re:Uber is forcing drivers in Seattle to listen to anti-unio... by hueving on Monday March 13, 2017 @02:00PM (#13860501)
How about this comment that is both condescending and irrelevant in response to mine? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13856422
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