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Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by bryanlarsen on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:30PM (#13840829)
Those studies have been done and the results were counter-intuitive.

Yes, long shifts kill patients. But the other thing that kills patients are handovers -- one doctor forgetting to note or tell another doctor a crucial detail at shift change. Longer shifts mean fewer shift changes.

Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by colmvp on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:38PM (#13840880)
I recognize my naïveté, but surely a more humane method of dealing with this is trying to increase information exchange at handover rather than depriving humans of valuable sleep. There are studies that show partial sleep deprivation can affect cognitive performance, and specific studies that show sleep deprivation on doctors can affect their own performance.
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by abakker on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:35PM (#13840859)
Couldn't we just have longer shift-change overlaps? I.e. double staff for 3 hours during handoff and have multiple overlapping 12 hour shifts / day?
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by phil21 on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:46PM (#13840941)
This is what we do in 24/7 network operations centers - so issues can be cleanly handed off between shifts.

However I don't think the additional staffing costs will fly, you're talking a hugely substantial increase if you were to enforce this - more than 25%, since current staffing levels are so thin.

Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by pfranz on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:55PM (#13841012)
(not sure who would fix this) but that still sounds like a problem with the cost structure. In other businesses, after 8 hours you get paid 1.5x, after 12 hours 2x. If those were the incentives here, it'd be cheaper to overlap and pay two salaries (I'm ignoring benefits here).

It's a balance of what people are willing to pay, the risk we're willing to accept, how ethically we treat workers (doctors). Unfortunately, like many places in the economy, there aren't rational actors on each side to negotiate these things.

Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by lettergram on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:38PM (#13840882)
That would cost 25% more to the hospital, no way.
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by pfranz on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:56PM (#13841025)
In other jobs you get paid double-time after 12 hours. If the cost structures were right it would still be cheaper.
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by u801e on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:40PM (#13840896)
Perhaps some work should be put into the hand-off procedure. I've heard things like checklists suggested in the past. Perhaps having a checklist to go through when handing off the patient with, say, congestive heart failure to another physician. They could be developed for the most common conditions that residents and their attendings deal with.
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by carbocation on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:46PM (#13840938)
This is well trodden material in medicine. "IPASS" is a search term that might help if you're interested to look at what has been tried.
Re:First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts... by robrenaud on Friday March 10, 2017 @01:33PM (#13840846)
Presumably the magnitude of both effects could be measured against each other?