Breaking an ankle is not a "decision". Tuberculosis is not a "decision". Cancer is not a "decision". Alzheimer's is not a "decision". "Getting old" is not a "decision".

You're thinking about this backwards. Health is a personal responsibility. The things you cite are not decisions, naturally, but many things that make people sick are choices (smoking, poor diet, not exercising, etc) and the choice to not pursue employment that provides adequate health insurance is.

That's the deal with citizenship - we allow you to live with us as long as you pay for other people. In particular, paying for people that don't make good decisions for themselves. Which is fine, since everyone is poorer than someone else.

No one is interested in allowing you to live in a country without paying for it. You live under the permission of others.

Them's the rules - take it or leave it.

L'Etat c'est la grande fiction à travers laquelle tout le monde s'efforce de vivre aux dépens de tout le monde. The State is the great fiction through which everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else. The State in Journal des débats (1848) par. 5.20. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Bastiat#Quo...

you allow me to? so what if I stop working and pay no taxes? do I have to leave? you sound very self righteous. I assume you're a typical liberal. do you realize you're making an argument against illegal immigration?

As a typical self-righteous liberal, I'll just say that: illegal immigrants pay taxes.

You already subsidise healthcare.

The US government spends more per capita on health than the UK government does.

Ok, well, as a cyclist who doesn't own a car, and as a vegetarian who doesn't eat meat, and as a childless infertile dude, I'm sure tired of subsidizing you cow-eating motorist parents.

Oh, wait, that's what society is--we all pay for communal stuff because we're all ultimately in this together.

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political arguments. That's not what this site is intended for, so please don't do that.

> Oh, wait, that's what society is-

No, that's what socialism and communism are.

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Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching off the rest of us. Even if you rarely ever use the system, you're still better off having a country where people don't have to worry about going bankrupt of something terrible happens to them and they need healthcare. Also, it actually makes things easier for businesses to not have to deal with figuring out how to pay for insurance for everyone every year.

A single tax that you can plan for without worry and just get on with running your company? Sounds good to me.

> Yeah, I'm sure all the people who chose to get cancer or be born prematurely are just leeching

Please don't vent snark like this on HN, even when someone else is wrong and/or started it. Your comment would be just fine without that.