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Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by prepend on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:35PM (#13822413)
What do you mean by "everyone is telling you it's not rare?" I read accounts of women who were treated horribly and unjustly, but certainly not by "everyone." I expect I see a post or three every month and that is rare considering there are 3.6M programmers in the US and 18.2M worldwide.

I don't stare at a screen all day. I work and have worked with teams of all sizes, hiring, firing, negotiating salary, dealing with HR and all that stuff. Although I would love to stare at a screen all day.

It's funny that you are calling me as sheltered and saying my experience isn't valid. This doesn't seem like rational behavior. Your irrationality in this aspect makes me doubt other claims by you that are not backed by data.

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dobbin on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:13PM (#13824893)
You know, not every woman who has bad experiences in the tech industry writes a blog post about it and puts it up on HN. A lot of us don't even bother reporting it to HR anymore, since we're well aware by now that HR exists to protect the company from lawsuits, not to protect women from harassment. And lawsuits just end up getting you informally blacklisted. I personally know a lot of women, including myself, who have faced issues with sexism and harassment in the tech industry, and most of us have either sucked it up if we decide it's not that bad, or find another job if it is. I doubt any of us would bring it up in front of a male coworker who hasn't already demonstrated that he's "safe" to talk to about these things. I think it's great that more women are feeling comfortable speaking publicly about issues in the industry, but I think many of us are still struggling not to be the nail that sticks out and gets hammered down. Why would someone put their career at risk to "educate" a coworker who has already demonstrated that he doesn't care what women say about it?
Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by prepend on Thursday March 09, 2017 @12:17AM (#13827169)
This is a really good point and shows how hard it is to gather data on the subject.

I certainly don't expect everyone to write a blog post about it, but I would encourage people to tell their stories. Otherwise, we just have more and more hearsay.

In this case, HR will work to prevent a very expensive lawsuit. I've seen HR help victims of sexual harassment many times.

But without more people speaking up, things will never get better.

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dijit on Thursday March 09, 2017 @03:03AM (#13827840)
That plays well into my murder analogy- that's incredibly unfortunate. I would say, normally, that I'd urge women to report this anyway, but this is what HR is for and that's depressing that it's viewed in such a light- they should absolutely tell their stories though.

If you have any female friends who want to work in a truly equal work environment that promotes women as equals; then my studio is aggressively hiring. http://www.massive.se/jobs/ ; it's in Sweden but we're also very good at relocating people (thorough support with VISA's and relocation allowances, etc;)

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by and0 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @02:27PM (#13822904)
You're claiming you can estimate the frequency of these incidents based on how often they crop up on HN, which just flagged this straightforward and innocent link for being feminist, so yes you are definitely sheltered from these issues.
Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by prepend on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @05:28PM (#13824522)
I'm not making that claim at all. I'm claiming that it seems rare to me based on my experiences in the industry.

I am claiming that you should not assert something is common without data. Somehow your anecdotal conversations are valid for a really broad assumption for frequency?

It's very interesting that you have such a double standard toward things you believe. How do you form beliefs? Do you randomly decide things, then cherry pick enough "data" to back up your opinion?