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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by incompatible on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:05PM (#13816053)
Some of us are not USians. I'd say if your goal is to make people elsewhere in the world love the US, then CIA dirty tricks isn't the way to do it. Dirty tricks by other governments wouldn't do much if the US was a genuinely beneficial influence in the world. At the moment it's not so clear that the US is beneficial, with it doing some things that are useful, but which Trump seems to want to eliminate as soon as possible, and other things that are questionable.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:13AM (#13818334)
The accepted demonym in English is American. I don't go around dictating what inhabitants of other countries are called in their language.

In the English speaking world, North and South America are considered 2 separate continent, and the single word American is universally understood to refer to citizens of the United States of America.

We have referred to ourselves as American for over 200 hundreds years and we are the only country with the word America in the name.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by incompatible on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:46PM (#13825124)
Well, I'm a programmer and the ambiguity of "America" and "American" disturbs me. Maybe "US American" would be better than USian though, since it matches the name of the country.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Thursday March 09, 2017 @01:26PM (#13831593)
There is always some form of ambiguity in natural languages. I get the desire to avoid it, but unless we want to communicate in Lojban, that's not possible.

In the English speaking world, there is no continent called "America" there is only North America and South America. If you want to refer to both we would normally say "The Americas" or maybe "The New World".

Since there is no "America" commonly used in English other than the country, there is for all practical purposes, no ambiguity.

Use is what gives language meaning, and if you look at the numbers "American" is almost always used to mean a resident of the US. Attempting to force a fix on a perceived issue is never going to work.

By the way prescriptivists have been trying to force manufactured demonyms on us for years and none of them have ever become mainstream.

I've met several South Americans who insist that they are "American", but after investigating further, even in South America, the word "American" is almost never used in English to refer to people who come from what we call North and South America.

When you think about it why would anyone want to refer to themselves as basically coming from the Western Hemisphere? There is no shared language, no shared culture, no shared government. It would be like saying "I'm from The Old World", when that applies to people from France, China, and Zimbabwe.

It's pretty much a useless distinction. And language use patterns back that up.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by incompatible on Thursday March 09, 2017 @03:31PM (#13833246)
The logic of it is simple to me. The name "America" was initially assigned to a newly discovered area in the south, and was later used for the entire land mass. Eventually the USA was founded in part of that area, but with such an unwieldy name, "America" became a popular abbreviation. That doesn't invalidate the original meaning. I understand that it's not ambiguous to many people, but it's ambiguous in my own mind because I do think of "America" as applying to the entire land mass.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:25PM (#13877244)
>That doesn't invalidate the original meaning.

It does invalidate the original meaning because no one uses America to refer to that landmass anymore (in English). Common use is what determines the meaning of language.

"Nice" used to mean simple or foolish, "Silly" used to mean blessed, and "Awful" used to mean worthy of awe--modern usage patterns have invalidated their original meanings in modern use.

>I understand that it's not ambiguous to many people, but it's ambiguous in my own mind because I do think of "America" as applying to the entire land mass.

And I think of Columbia as an alternate name for the US. It doesn't mean I'm going to get on a Colombian Spanish language forum and start making up new demonyms for them.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by incompatible on Thursday March 09, 2017 @03:44PM (#13833405)
The worst is that you end up with statements like "America is a country in North America", which to me is just bizarre.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:10PM (#13877107)
New York is a city in New York. Are you going to use New York Citians instead of New Yorkers?

Mexico City, Mexico.

Belize City, Belize.

Panama City, Panama.

Djibouti City, Djibouti.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by Cookingboy on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @08:12PM (#13816936)
Nope, the goal is not to make the rest of the world love the US. It is to further our own national interest while fucking over our enemies. Just like any other countries that ever existed in the history of human civilization.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by incompatible on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @09:37PM (#13817382)
That seems about right. You have to wonder what "national interest" really means though. Something to do with making US billionaires richer than their foreign competitors, I think.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by cat199 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @10:35AM (#13820900)
Maintaining the use of the USD as default fiat currency for key commodities which in turn implies geopolitical leverage through access to USD and the banking system which supports it, with participation in this state of affairs defining what is and is not the 'accepted' system.

See also: BRICS & recent political turmoil in Brasil, Ukraine

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:15AM (#13818344)
Currently our national interests can be defined as whatever the latest talking head Trump was watching on Fox News said they were.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by mmjaa on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @05:29AM (#13819320)
>Just like any other countries that ever existed in the history of human civilization.

Self-Godwin'ed. Nice!