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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by megablast on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:13PM (#13815560)
> There is clear motive right now for undermining the CIA.

I think this is irrelevant and distracts from the issue. You are trying to change the narrative.

If this is true, this is incredibly bad, and the CIA should be discredited.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by Cookingboy on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:35PM (#13815770)
"If this is true, this is incredibly bad, and the CIA should be discredited.

What do you mean by "discredited"? If anything this gives a ton of credibility to CIA's rumored capability. Hell, it gives CIA so much credibility now that they can practically make up stuff and people will believe it by saying "oh they can bug everything, of course they found out about it".

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by ruleabidinguser on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:38PM (#13816352)
It tells us what they can do but it certainly doesnt incentivize trust.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by Cookingboy on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @08:14PM (#13816944)
Public trust is a pretty low tier item on the list of priorities for global intelligence agencies. They exist to do their job and be effective at furthering our own national interest while screwing over enemies.

Public trust is a PR problem and there are other people that manage it.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by anigbrowl on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:30PM (#13815731)
Why is it bad? Does anyone expect spies not to have spy tools? Espionage is their job, after all.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by stale2002 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @12:52AM (#13818245)
OK fine. But let's stop pretending.

The CIA has access to the search history and phone call log of everything single American, and is blatantly breaking the constitution, and every single one of them should be arrested and sent to jail, for breaking the US constitution.

It is "their job", but it is also illegal and they should be sent to jail for treason.

You are correct, though, that it is completely expected that they have spy tools that blatantly break our constitutional rights.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by learc83 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:04AM (#13818299)
The CIA is specifically constructed to operate in other countries. I see no reason to think that they are "blatantly breaking the constitution."

There are other agencies like the NSA that are spying on Americans, but I've seen no evidence that the CIA is doing this.

It is the CIA's job to spy on other countries and that doesn't violate the constitution. Nothing in the leak so far says that the CIA is spying on Americans.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by matthewbauer on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:15AM (#13818343)
Well the CIA can legally spy on Americans "incidentally" when they communicate with foreigners. See Flynn calls with Kislyak for example.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by chillwaves on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:03PM (#13816032)
Maybe GP is starting to finally see the CIA how the rest of the world has seen them for say, oh the last 60 years or so.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by anigbrowl on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:25PM (#13816245)
Yeah, not being American I always thought the USA was quite proud of its spy service, just the Russians are sort of proud of the KGB, the british are proud of MI6 and so on. Large countries have espionage agencies, and every government since ancient history has used spies.

Put it this way, I have a Samsung TV and plan to do absolutely nothing about it. If I want something to be really private i discuss it outdoors or write it down by hand on paper. I'm kind of baffled about eh public and the media's inability to distinguish between the ability to carry out espionage and the targets against which it is deployed.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by Koshkin on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:20PM (#13816639)
> really private

Just be sure not to put the TV in your bedroom.

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by anigbrowl on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:55PM (#13816840)
Anyone spying on my sex life is welcome to whatever insights they can derive from studying my moves :)
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by jerkstate on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:53PM (#13816822)
You mean the bedroom where you charge your phone?
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by xenotb on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:49AM (#13819629)
Exactly. Escaping that vecomes really difficult.
Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by fnordfnordfnord on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @07:56PM (#13816846)
No matter what your opinion on the CIA, it's bad. If for no other reason than that it was a huge counter-intelligence failure.