CIA malware and hacking tools

Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by raverbashing on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:07PM (#13815510)

You can publish only true facts and still push a narrative

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by freyr on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:21PM (#13815640)

> You can publish only true facts

Can we go back to just calling them "facts"? A statement can be true or false, but a fact is true.

You're playing into the idea that there are "false facts" or "alternative facts." There aren't. Those are lies or errors.

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by jMyles on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:38PM (#13815795)

It's useful to be able to talk about "facts" - including a fact pattern which is inaccurate - as distinct from opinion or assessment.

From WikiPedia:

> Alternatively, fact may also indicate an allegation or stipulation of something that may or may not be a true fact, (e.g., "the author's facts are not trustworthy"). This alternate usage, although contested by some, has a long history in standard English.

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by cjfont on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:50PM (#13815906)

A statement can also be an opinion, I think the intention was to differentiate from statements that are meant to appear to be facts but are false.

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by chillwaves on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:00PM (#13815990)

Because context matters? And people with any level of sophistication in their thinking can understand that.

I don't even know how to respond to some folks here. You really think it's impossible to use facts to construct a narrative that is untrue?

https://hbr.org/2016/10/theres-a-word-for-using-truthful-fac...

Come on now. We're better than this.

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by freyr on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:11PM (#13816098)

> You really think it's impossible to use facts to construct a narrative that is untrue?

What? That's completely unrelated to what I said, which is simply that the phrase "true facts" is redundant.

> people with any level of sophistication in their thinking can understand that. I don't even know how to respond to some folks here.

I wrote just two lines of text to express a simple thought using basic vocabulary. The fact that you misunderstood my comment so thoroughly, and yet with such extreme condescension, is simply spectacular.

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Re:CIA malware and hacking tools by ygaf on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @04:34AM (#13819113)

>Come on now. We're better than this.

We should be above abusing the word "because". Honestly that shit is jarring.

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