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Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by martinald on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:28PM (#13815084)
Have you seen the central line at rush hour in London? It's horrendous[1]. We are talking >7people per sqm, plus significant waits to even get on the trains. But yet, 100k+s use it every day of all socioeconomic backgrounds. I'd imagine mostly middle class/upper middle class professionals.

Why?

1) Traffic is terrible. It will take 1hr+ to do a journey the central line does in 15-20m.

2) Even if you want to drive, parking costs around $1500/month in the square mile.

3) On top of that, you have the congestion charge for entering central London (£11.50/day - soon to be £25/day if you have a particularly polluting vehicle).

You're looking at about $2000/month if you want to drive, which takes 4x as long and costs about 15x more than the train.

This is what happens when you price effectively for the externalities of traffic congestion. People will switch to transit en masse, and 'loud music' will not be seen as a problem.

[1]this also means there is the political will to build massive transit infrastructure, like crossrail, which will relieve the central line at a cost of around $20bn.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by tapatio on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:41PM (#13815227)
London sounds terrible to live in, way too many people.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by ghaff on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @04:47PM (#13815294)
Commuting at rush hour can be pretty awful in just about every major city--New York, London, Paris, Tokyo... I wouldn't call any of those places terrible but, yes, there are a lot of people and it can be pretty mobbed if you try to travel at peak times.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by Pica_soO on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:45PM (#13815866)
How about extra pay for distributed commuters? Start your day early, end it early, start late, end it late and receive a bonus?
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by ghaff on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:09PM (#13816079)
Many cities (including London) have peak fares for transit, trains, etc. The problem is that if you're a typical commuter you probably don't have a lot of control over your schedule. If you're asking why don't companies do this, why would they? If anything, they probably prefer people to be in the office at the same time.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by tim333 on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:31PM (#13816301)
Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded, as they say.

Actually it's not so bad - the central line at rush hour is abnormal.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by dx034 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:08AM (#13819687)
It's much nicer when you cycle to work. Many parts of London are not built that densely, at least compared to other European cities.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by selectodude on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:29PM (#13816275)
London isn't very dense, which is part of why traffic is so bad.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by Symbiote on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:23PM (#13815664)
London hasn't adequately priced the externalities of traffic congestion. Air quality is still rather poor by European standards! The more recent changes are well overdue, but still don't go far enough.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by nradov on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @09:40PM (#13817403)
Air quality is poor because the UK government gave tax breaks to diesel vehicles in an attempt to cut carbon emissions. But they didn't realize at the time how harmful diesel particulate emissions are.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by martinald on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @05:58PM (#13815975)
That's mostly caused by buses though, not private cars. Eg Oxford Street is one of the worst but has no cars on it.

Not sure how productive it is taxing buses...

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by Symbiote on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:50PM (#13816443)
Oxford Street is packed with black cabs, they always seemed smellier to me. I used to work in Zone 4, and there'd be lines of them outside the station, with engines idling all day, next to the "Buses must switch off engines while on stand" signs.

The new taxi regulations are a welcome improvement [1], but they're weaker than they should be. Why are Euro IV cars still allowed as new taxis? Why is it only voluntary for >10 year old vehicles to be replaced? No doubt it was the best deal Kahn etc could get, but it's disappointing that London/Britain can't do better.

The buses[2] at least, are all Euro 4 standard or better, with the majority Euro 5 or better, i.e. made since 2010.

[1] https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/tax...

[2] https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-fl...

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by MarchHare on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:07AM (#13819478)
While I do empathise that people are making a living, I look forward to the day when the black cabs are gone. The amount of pollution they put out is awful.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by tim333 on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:28PM (#13816267)
They are working on improving the busses, replacing them with hybrids and the like. Taxis too. https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/environment/pollution-a...
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by lmm on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:05AM (#13819471)
Pedestrianisation of Oxford Street seems to be inching up the agenda. One of the big political objections is that buses are the only disabled-accessible public transport to that area but once Crossrail is operational that will no longer be true.

The buses still have to go somewhere though - the huge number of routes along Oxford Street is not about serving Oxford Street per se so much as about getting them across town. Honestly I'd be surprised if buses were the big source of pollution though - the fleet is quite modern and many of them are hybrids that deliberately run electric-only through the most polluted areas.

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by narag on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @06:30PM (#13816291)
Electric buses then.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by dx034 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:10AM (#13819689)
Already started, several lines run on electric buses. But you'll only see improvements once black cabs are electric, too.
Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by nradov on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @08:37PM (#13817042)
Yes I've seen it as a tourist several years ago. Nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there: too crowded.