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Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by jcranmer on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:18PM (#13804170)
Trump promised in his campaign that he would ban Muslim immigration, because radical Islamic terror. Someone apparently got through to Trump that a Muslim ban wouldn't pass constitutional muster, so the ban was "tailored" as an emergency ban for the purposes of terrorism.

If you look at the mass casualty incidents since 9/11, only at best ~50% of them were instigated by immigrants, let alone Muslim immigrants. A leaked DHS report apparently concludes that even most of those immigrants who did commit terrorism were radicalized post-entry, although this should have been the reasonable assumption of anyone who cast a cursory glance at the evidence.

The exclusion of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Pakistan, and now Iraq, as well as the inclusion of Iran on the list (Iran's support of terrorism is pretty much limited to proxies whose targets are limited to Middle Eastern governments (including Israel) and have no inclination to carry out attacks in the US or Europe) indicate that the set of targets is chosen less for which countries are liable to produce terrorists and more for which countries the US government doesn't like.

As I've pointed out in the past, the number of terrorists who might be stopped by a travel ban like this is probably 0 and maybe as high as 2. The number of people for whom this would be the tipping point in their radicalization is probably between 0 and 10. This may create more terrorism than it catches.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by jrnichols on Monday March 06, 2017 @07:53PM (#13807485)
"the number of terrorists who might be stopped by a travel ban like this is probably 0 and maybe as high as 2"

Thing is, we'll probably never know. Will that information ever be shared with the public? How many people were prevented from entering the US over the past 8 years for "ties to terrorist organizations?" I have no idea.

It happened in early 2016 to Indian students.

http://fusion.net/story/272029/indian-students-denied-entry-...

Happened in mid 2016 to Syrian refugees.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/08/09/substantial...

A reported 2015 rise in Muslims being denied entry

http://www.dlgvisablog.com/blog/2015/12/29/us-increasingly-d...

But without news reports or blog articles, how are we to ever know that X number of travelers were denied entry? We can say it's probably between 0-2, but there's no evidence to back that up and I don't know how we even begin to search for the evidence other than heavily redacted FOIA requests.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by nojvek on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:30PM (#13804272)
I just hope students who have come for a legit purpose of studying don't get caught up in the mess.

But I've been really giving thought to what I can do as an average citizen to make the slightest change in public policy.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by _jal on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:40PM (#13804353)
I hate to dash your hopes, but... Trump promised a Muslim ban. That's what his followers want. He's doing what he can to deliver.

Students, family members, and others following the rules are the targets. The goal is to increase hassle, expense, uncertainty and humiliation for Certain Visitors in order to have less of them.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by jcranmer on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:33PM (#13804289)
They already have. That's why so many universities were outspoken about the ban, and many states filed amici briefs on behalf of the state universities.
Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by Jtsummers on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:37PM (#13804329)
In 2002 many of my classmates from Middle Eastern countries were not able to return after going home for the summer. This is going to create a similar issue for many students.
Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by mk89 on Monday March 06, 2017 @01:39PM (#13804929)
50%? That's not such a small number, imho.
Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by SamBam on Monday March 06, 2017 @02:31PM (#13805340)
But it's 50% of an already-tiny number.

(Edit: That's assuming OP meant terrorist incidents. MCIs are so common that immigrants would be implicated in <1% of them.)

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by mk89 on Monday March 06, 2017 @03:19PM (#13805719)
Yeah, but it's still 50%. One out of two...