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Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by johnatwork on Friday March 03, 2017 @03:39PM (#13786256)
I'm glad I read this. I was thinking of perhaps switching out of Apple for Razor, since the last MacBook Pro update.
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by Razengan on Saturday March 04, 2017 @04:26AM (#13790112)
I was initially going to skip the 2016 MacBook Pro myself, mostly because of their price, but I got one recently and it's actually a very solid and I would even say amazing machine. The need for dongles/adapters can be overlooked as a transitionary pain.
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by AlphaSite on Saturday March 04, 2017 @01:06PM (#13792061)
Honestly, the only real use I have for dongles is USB hard drives and displays, but for that case I can just get usb-c to usb-micro-3 cable and a usb-c to DisplayPort cable and I'm back into the same situation as before.
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by chrisbennet on Friday March 03, 2017 @04:16PM (#13786678)
Exactly the same situation here. I guess the alternative is the Dell XPS 15?
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by TheOsiris on Friday March 03, 2017 @10:08PM (#13788956)
same here. the macs are under powered and overpriced but razer's quality is not high enough imo. I had to return my razer blade because of the constant fan noise even on idle. I just can't even take it to meetings or work in quiet rooms
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by Razengan on Saturday March 04, 2017 @04:23AM (#13790106)
> the macs are under powered and overpriced

How do you figure they are under-powered and overpriced? Compared to what?

They have some of the fasted SSDs on the market [1], their battery has been reported to go for 18 hours after they fixed the software issues [2], and how many laptops do you know that have high-DPI wide color gamut screens? The Touch Bar is also actually a very nice new class of input device with lots of potential, especially once you've tweaked it a little. [3]

Even without counting the value of macOS, how many competitors offer the same or better overall features, AND good build quality and customer support? (which Razer clearly doesn't as you can see from the comments on this very page.)

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/2016-macbook-pro-ssd/

[2] https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/13/macbook-pro-battery-issu...

[3] https://alexw.me/2017/01/what-if-you-could-customize-your-ne...

Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by mschuster91 on Friday March 03, 2017 @10:58PM (#13789156)
Then again, I have yet to witness any laptop that is as quiet as a MBP. Every Windows laptop I've encountered, no matter if at university, at work or at home, had its fans spinning even at idle - while it takes a 2015 MBP to do a full recompile of all Macports packages to noticeably heat up, much less engage the fans.

It's a side effect of both Apples unibody aluminium cases which are way better at heat dissipation than any plastic based case and Apples extreme level of control - they can optimize every tiny chip as well as the OS to be as power efficient as humanly possible, which avoids creating heat to dissipate.

It's fair game to compare Windows laptops for their noise level but seriously, comparing anything with Apple for noise is unfair.

Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by heipei on Saturday March 04, 2017 @02:57AM (#13789880)
Yes, noise and battery runtime are the only two things keeping me with a MacBook. I'd be willing to compromise on other things (resolution, CPU, aesthetics), but there is still no alternative. But currently still happy with my 2015 MBP Retina.

That's the thing that people don't understand if they've never owned a MacBook. Build quality and noise are not in the specs, so they only compare it on price / power. Also some people just don't care that their fans are running constantly...

Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by tracker1 on Saturday March 04, 2017 @11:12PM (#13794556)
I'd add the touchpad to that... second to none imho... my logitech keyboard for my htpc feels about as good, but the fixed (not able to be adjusted) right click region is irritating over two/three finger clicks.
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by mschuster91 on Saturday March 04, 2017 @06:03AM (#13790353)
The biggest problem I have with Apple is that they've completely lost track when it comes to their core user group.

A modern MBP still can't have more than 16GB RAM, it has 0 legacy ports, and cannot be upgraded at all.

Yes it might be a perfect laptop for hipsters who just want to show off their MBP and do the occasional Photoshop, but without developers who create programs for OS X or professional users who make their entire company buy MBPs there will be no ecosystem to lure in said hipsters... more sooner than later.

Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by AlphaSite on Saturday March 04, 2017 @01:07PM (#13792070)
How many developers actually need >16gb for normal work? They exist for sure, but I would posit that its only some vanishingly small portion in practice.
Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by tracker1 on Saturday March 04, 2017 @11:16PM (#13794572)
Anyone running a handful of VMs for DBs/apps/services while also developing Java or .Net "enterprise" (fat-stack) applications. It's pretty easy to hit very high usage.

I do mostly web-stack stuff with node, and chrome is probably my biggest offender... But I've also got multiple tabs in firefox open, not to mention VS Code and other desktop-ified apps (spotify, slack, etc). I do okay with 16GB... but I know when I fire up a windows VM with Visual Studio, man does it get tight.

Re:Razer targets perfect Linux support by mschuster91 on Saturday March 04, 2017 @01:19PM (#13792116)
For example when you work with dockerized enterprise CMSes on a Mac - you'll need 8GB RAM at minimum for the Docker VM, 4+GB for your browser, 4GB for the IDE (although IntelliJ can eat even more RAM easily!) and suddenly there is no more RAM.

Basically, you can easily use 32+ GB of RAM as soon as anything Java is involved. For what it's worth I usually don't do Java stuff but my Chrome RAM usage alone easily exceeds 8 GB. I could really use more than 16 GB.