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Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by coldtea on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:16PM (#13777782)
>That may be so. What does happen on the other hand is that many countries throw people in prison for refusing to serve.

And rightly so.

The only reason the country exists in the first place, is that people were willing to fight to establish it, and to serve and fight to defend it.

Else it would be not some magical global brothership of unicorns and love, but what was there before modern countries: empires and feudal overlords.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by vidarh on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:25PM (#13777837)
Being willing to fight for something is orthogonal to being forced to fight for something under threat of prison.

Most of those who kept up the fight for Norways freedom from German occupation under World War II, for example, were not military conscripts - the military surrendered quickly - but civilians who formed resistance groups.

The idea that you need to be willing to let yourself be coerced into slavery to prove your willingness to fight is deeply offensive to me.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by coldtea on Friday March 03, 2017 @02:51AM (#13781383)
>The idea that you need to be willing to let yourself be coerced into slavery to prove your willingness to fight is deeply offensive to me.

Well, the idea that service to your country is considered slavery and not a duty is offensive to others.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by vidarh on Friday March 03, 2017 @09:23AM (#13782970)
Good. I certainly would hope to offend people who cheer on that kind of oppression, as to me they are morally little better than the slave drivers they cheer on.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by michaelmrose on Thursday March 02, 2017 @06:03PM (#13779174)
You say that its just to throw people in prison for refusing involuntary servitude on the basis that that service is necessary for the existence of the state that the individuals rely on. Now what I wonder is why the state would be in a position to need to use threats to inspire its citizens to serve.

Perhaps it doesn't want to pay sufficient money to acquire the individuals its needs. In effect it is saying that it ought to take a minority of the citizens freedom rather than take a little bit more of everyone's money. This is pretty despicable and it ought to just raise taxes to pay sufficiently.

Perhaps it lacks the moral authority to inspire service even at any price. In that case it ought to reexamine WHY its citizens have lost faith in it instead of using force.

Lastly perhaps its facing an existential threat that can neither be ignored, nor dealt with otherwise.

You blindly suppose that the state deserves such service and neither examine whether it really does nor if it could acquire such service without trampling the rights of its citizens.

It speak like a dangerous nationalist and your attitude concerns me.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by coldtea on Friday March 03, 2017 @02:50AM (#13781380)
>Now what I wonder is why the state would be in a position to need to use threats to inspire its citizens to serve.

Because some citizens are selfish or unique snowflakes for whom service is beneath them, but they still like the other advantages the state provides them.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by michaelmrose on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:53AM (#13794913)
If they are selfish wouldn't they be inclined to take a fair offer for their time?