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Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by sliken on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:04AM (#13761597)
Sort of, the intel 8c/16T is crazy expensive because it's a server chip with 4 memory busses, ecc support, etc. $1000 CPUs don't make sense for gamers. The fastest "normal" i7 is has plenty of cores and better single thread performance than the $1,000 intel chip. Of course AMD wants to compare to the $1k chip, not the more competitive $350 chip.

The Ryzen is a desktop chip, no ecc, half the memory busses, good at cache friendly stuff. No faster than last years CPUs on anything memory intensive.

Of course AMD's going to cherry pick the cache friendly benchmarks to brag about.

Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by kayoone on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:28AM (#13762000)
The most recent AAA titles often favour more cores, as also the consoles are 8C nowadays [1] And in case you do more than gaming, i'd always take the 8C/16T over a 4C/8T for the same amount of money, even if it's 10-15% slower in single threaded workloads.

Of course AMD compares to the competing 8/16 chip, because for enthusiasts its just a much better deal. There are a lot of enthusiast gamers that do streaming or video editing for example.

Mainstream is probably better of with waiting for the 4C/8T Ryzen models and pairing that with a RX 480 or mid range Vega.

[1] https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02/cpu-skalierung-kerne-spi...

Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by stymaar on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @06:12AM (#13762876)
> The most recent AAA titles often favour more cores, as also the consoles are 8C nowadays [1] And in case you do more than gaming, i'd always take the 8C/16T over a 4C/8T for the same amount of money, even if it's 10-15% slower in single threaded workloads.

Really ? That contradicts everything I've ever heard and experienced myself.

At least until really recently, games where still massively dependent on the single threaded speed since all the graphic stuff was single threaded (because of DX<12 or OpenGL). Did this already change thanks to the newest graphic API (DX12 / Vulkan) ? Last time I checked, the adoption was still pretty low, it's really good news if the landscape is changing quickly. Or is it something else ?

Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by kayoone on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @07:15AM (#13763098)
see the article i linked to, there is a good number of new games where the 6900K is faster than the 7700k or at least on the same level.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by broknbottle on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:15AM (#13761653)
Ryzen CPUs support ECC
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by will_hughes on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @04:12AM (#13762399)
Got a source for that? I haven't seen anything that says they do.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by spilk on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:06AM (#13761869)
Are there any Ryzen boards that will accept ECC RAM?
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by konstmonst on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @04:13AM (#13762401)
Sure, the one from MSI does. I think it was called tomohawk b350 and cost around 120 euros.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by bharathg_gh on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @04:28AM (#13762475)
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by dman on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:07AM (#13761614)
Do we know for sure ryzen does not have ecc support?
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by aidenn0 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:28AM (#13761709)
We do not yet know. Gigabyte specifically says ECC memory is compatible, but runs without ECC on their boards. Asrock only says that ECC ram is compatible.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by ultra2d on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @06:32AM (#13762950)
I asked Asrock support earlier this week:

  MSI and Gigabyte explicitly mention "(operate in non-ECC mode)". 
  Is that also true for Asrock AM4 motherboards? Or do they fully support ECC?
Reply:

  From: ASRock Support <snip>
  Date: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:17 AM
  Hello,
  ASRock AM4 motherboards fully support ECC function.
Still, someone will have to test to be sure.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by ultra2d on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:14AM (#13761649)
It does. Asrock support claims their AM4 motherboards support it.
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by pmoriarty on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:11AM (#13761632)
ECC support is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature, isn't it?
Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by aidenn0 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:30AM (#13761721)
It requires that the memory controller support ECC and that there are extra traces from the memory controller to the RAM.

This used to mean it was solely a motherboard feature, but starting about a decade ago, the memory controller was moved onto the CPU, so now it requires both CPU and motherboard support.

Re:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti by SXX on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:30AM (#13761720)
Actually it's depend on both motherboard and CPU.