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Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by rattray on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:14PM (#13755346)
Looks like they thought this would get fixed:

> I will not make any further comments on exploitability, at least not until the bug is fixed. The report has too much info on that as it is (I really didn't expect this one to miss the deadline).

Worth mentioning that "Goes Public" implies there was a human who pulled the trigger; it was a bot:

> This bug is subject to a 90 day disclosure deadline. If 90 days elapse without a broadly available patch, then the bug report will automatically become visible to the public.

...

> Deadline exceeded -- automatically derestricting

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by DINKDINK on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:23PM (#13756919)
>"Goes Public" implies there was a human who pulled the trigger; it was a bot:

Meaningless distinction, a human designed the bot that pulled the trigger. Building a robot that then murders someone doesn't absolve the designer from the ramifications of what they built.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by dsacco on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @03:07PM (#13757358)
It's not meaningless. It would be more appropriate to compare it to a human-designed insurance algorithm that will refuse to offer a discount for extenuating circumstances. That's not so much an analogy as it is a reimplemented example of the same philosophy in practice.

The meaningful distinction is that a human can be persuaded to extend the deadline, at least in theory. A bot cannot be persuaded to do anything, and if a deadline passes an action is triggered like a dead man's switch. In one scenario, a human needs to maintain the decision to uphold that deadline without bias every single time it comes into question. In the other, they only have to do it once: when the bot is initially designed.

They're different things entirely. Arguing that they're not is like arguing that it's easy to maintain a diet or exercise regimen because you just have to uphold a New Year's resolution for a week. This has important ramifications for a security disclosure deadline, because it (theoretically) reduces bias. There are other elements of a disclosure that can still elicit bias, but at least the deadline time itself will not be one of them.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by rucker on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @03:07PM (#13757360)
I think you're being pedantic. It's pretty clear what the headline implies and what the parent commenter is saying.

From headline reading "X goes public with...", most people would infer a scenario where something out of the ordinary is taking place. Pointing out that this disclosure was made by a bot is a meaningful distinction.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by gburt on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @08:44PM (#13760198)
The distinction is game theoretical. The fact this is a process that has no exception sets the standard and doesn't allow more "costly" bugs to be ignored knowing that they will continue to embargo anyway.

This process and the costly signal associated ensures better behaviour from vendors in the long run.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by digler999 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @05:47PM (#13758970)
> a human designed the bot that pulled the trigger.

And a human designed the insecure code on IE. That programmer isn't "absolved of the ramifications" of exposing their user base to god-knows-what kind of malware/ransomware.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by naasking on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:46PM (#13760515)
> Meaningless distinction, a human designed the bot that pulled the trigger. Building a robot that then murders someone doesn't absolve the designer from the ramifications of what they built.

Not meaningless at all. A better analogy is that you built a robot that pointed a gun at a chair, and said, "this robot will pull the trigger on date X, so don't sit in that chair on date X."

It's not trivial to argue that the robot designer shares the lion's share of the blame here.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by SSLy on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:57PM (#13757260)
Until we get seeded AGI's, that is.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by obstinate on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:20PM (#13755434)
I think the person making that comment is confused about how this works. The bug was filed in November. The deadline passed before the comment was made.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by rattray on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:38PM (#13755606)
The "Deadline exceeded -- automatically derestricting" comment was posted on Feb 23, 90 days[0] after Nov 25.

The account that posted it, [email protected], is listed[1] as the "owner" of Project Zero, which implies to me that they may be a user account, but quite likely one that has a script running under its permissions.

There certainly could be a human-controlled kill-switch to this release process, of course, and it's possible that "hawkes" manually goes through a list of vulnerabilities every day and clicks "release".

[0] http://www.convertunits.com/dates/90/daysfrom/Nov+25,+2016 [1] https://bugs.chromium.org/u/1279493906/

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by btilly on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:18PM (#13756134)
Which person making which comment?

The one who didn't expect it to miss the deadline is the same as the person who originally reported the vulnerability. It is therefore a safe assumption that this person understands the disclosure process involved.

Furthermore it is a safe bet that the bug is exploitable. I'm sure that the black market will shortly have people using it.

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by obstinate on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:38PM (#13756386)
Oops. I misread "(I really didn't expect this one to miss the deadline)" as "I really don't expect . . ." in #5.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by muthuraj57 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:19PM (#13755413)
> there was a human who pulled the trigger; it was a bot:

is it a human or a bot?

Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by roflc0ptic on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:21PM (#13755436)
GP is saying "although the headline makes it sound like a human did this, it was actually a bot, as the following text from the tracker shows:"
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by ProAm on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:22PM (#13755453)
A human programmed the bot.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by samstave on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:26PM (#13755492)
But the bot pulled the trigger :-)
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by PascLeRasc on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:33PM (#13755548)
You might like The Office (US) S8E6.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by cortesoft on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:07PM (#13756738)
Your partial quote leaves out the word 'implies', which makes it exactly clear that it is a bot and not a human.
Re:Google Goes Public with Unpatched Microsoft Edge and IE V... by mnem on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:22PM (#13755450)
A bot.