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Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by tomlock on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:02PM (#13741521)
Even as an American citizen but an Australian resident - these stories make me afraid to travel to the US. Might the border agents find me to be unacceptably foreign?
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by cylinder on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:31PM (#13741649)
As the article says, agents feel empowered to find ways to deny.

Be prepared to have all your devices searched too. I'm talking about your photos, your online banking app, your emails, your Whatsapp logs, etc (just happened to an Australian I know) if they suspect you may be violating the terms of your visa. You can decline, but do you really want to cancel your trip, wait 12 hours for the next 15 hour flight back home?

(Edit: this is for non US citizens. US citizens don't need to answer any questions at entry, but be prepared to be taken aside for screening. You'll be asked to unlock your phone most likely, and if you refuse, they will confiscate it, but then you can enter.)

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by chetanahuja on Monday February 27, 2017 @04:16AM (#13742943)
"Edit: this is for non US citizens. US citizens don't need to answer any questions at entry, but be prepared to be taken aside for screening"

Also be prepared to answer questions about your religion... regardless of if you're a citizen or not. we finally have a religious test to enter the country..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/26/muhamm...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/us/citizen-nasa-engineer-detai...

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by nngrey on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:10PM (#13741564)
Today, my wife, who is an American citizen of Indian origin, told me she is afraid to travel around town without her passport. We read stories like this and about broad ICE raids and the shooting in Kansas and it begins to take a toll.
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by frio on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:12PM (#13741580)
My partner and I are visiting Europe shortly (from NZ). We were going to transit the US on the way back, stopping for a few days. Luckily we hadn't booked return flights yet, and have since decided to visit Canada instead (luckily, Air NZ runs direct flights from Vancouver to Auckland now).

We're pretty boring pakeha, and I doubt we'd have trouble at the border. But... given a few months more until we'd be visiting, we're uncertain enough about what other legal requirements might get rammed through (and the ETSA is already enough of a hassle) that it just doesn't seem worthwhile.

This is just an anecdote, and I'm sure I'm being overly paranoid. But I don't really want to tack on a potentially very stressful end to a holiday. It makes me sad to think of how trivial an inconvenience this is for me, compared to friends I have who are much more strongly affected by the ban.

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by Joky on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:38PM (#13741682)
> (and the ETSA is already enough of a hassle)

I don't get this part? Can you clarify what part is a hassle? ESTA just seems great to me: fill a form online and get (most of the time) an "immediate tourist visa".

When you're from a country that isn't in the ESTA program, then it can be a hassle!

You don't really get a visa, but an approval for visa exemption I believe.

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by frio on Sunday February 26, 2017 @11:00PM (#13741770)
You're right -- the concept is great :). Last time I got an ESTA, however, the site was somewhat byzantine, chock-full of confusing legalese and the response was slow. Comparatively, to get into Europe for 90 days we just have to arrive (https://www.safetravel.govt.nz/travel-tips-travel-europe) -- same goes for Canada.

However, after checking, it does seem like the site has improved a lot. It's been a while :).

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by germanier on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:53AM (#13743569)
The European Union will introduce a similar system, ETIAS, soon. https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/homeaffairs/files/wh...

The whole concept goes against the concept of visa-free travel. No matter what they are termed those are effectively – usually automatically processed – visa against the spirit of bilateral visa-free agreements. It used to be that you can turn up at the border to apply for entry there instead of beforehand. Those "travel authorizations" are a step back. Not to mention all the data footprint that this process creates additionally.

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by emilyfm on Monday February 27, 2017 @03:02AM (#13742673)
Canada does require advance authorisation to arrive by air, the ETA (CA$ 7 online). http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/eta.asp
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by frio on Monday February 27, 2017 @02:34PM (#13747171)
So it does; thanks! I didn't see any indication that existed on the various NZ government sites about travelling. That would've made for an unfortunate arrival.
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by fixxer on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:11PM (#13741577)
And as an Australian resident, you are used to difficult bureaucracies, amirite?

As an American with Australian family, they always tell me how much easier dealing with the G is here when they visit and drive their massive rented RV around.

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by tomlock on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:33PM (#13741657)
Yeah, but if a French historian can be detained for having the wrong type of visa how am I gonna fare as a tattooed hipster aussie with no respectability?!?! :O

As for the injustices suffered by RV drivers, I cannot comment. Although, I'm sure their road to recognition in our country has been long and pothole-filled.

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by hubert123 on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:09PM (#13741560)
There were plenty of other reasons to be afraid before, the random gun crime, police state, lack of healthcare and the TSA cancer machines / groping being the main ones. Being legally disinvited is only a fear if it's financially a hit to have to fly back from their airport.
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by cylinder on Sunday February 26, 2017 @10:42PM (#13741702)
Thanks to the USA, those body scanners have infected the Australian airports already (for international departures).
Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by tbihl on Sunday February 26, 2017 @11:17PM (#13741830)
Was it really worth watering down a list of worthwhile fears with absurd sensationalism, just to make it longer?

The risk of death in a vehicle far exceeds that of gun violence. If you're talking about injuries perpetrated by a stranger, that disparity grows more yet.

The lack of healthcare doesn't exist, though you'll certainly have to pay up. But really, 'lack'? If you find yourself injured, you can probably look up and find a billboard for a hospital (see the previous point on how you're likely to get hurt.) And there will almost certainly be first rate care at said hospital.

And most egregiously, 'cancer machines'? Are you referring to the backscatter x-rays, which deliver a smaller dose than a single banana? Or the millimeter wave machines, which operate at low intensity, and actually deliver no dose of ionizing radiation whatsoever, due to operating at a wavelength with photon energies measured in MILLI-eV? Why not plan your travels around local geology and only travel by boat? Because if you think you're sensitive to millimeter waves, you're really going to be upset at the gammas coming from ground sources, as well as the ones hitting you when you're not underneath those final 7km of sweet, sweet radiation-attenuating atmosphere.

There are valid reasons not to travel to the US, even in your own post. Why bury them under such nonsense?

Re:French historian Henry Rousso held for 10 hours and threa... by hackuser on Sunday February 26, 2017 @11:57PM (#13741990)
> The risk of death in a vehicle far exceeds that of gun violence.

Per the CDC:

* Motor vehicle traffic deaths: 33,804

* Firearm deaths: 33,736

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

> If you're talking about injuries perpetrated by a stranger, that disparity grows more yet.

I'm not sure where to find this data, but it seems likely to me that most motor vehicle deaths are self-inflicted (if not intentionally). Of course, because motor vehicle deaths are much more often due to accident than intention, I suspect strangers are more commonly involved (the person who shoots you has a good chance of being someone who knows and dislikes you).