Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by j7ake on Thursday February 23, 2017 @01:50AM (#13712144)

You're still making a bet that Tesla will become a top 3 car company in the world. At the moment people there are people who think the price to risk is worth it. Some do not think it's worth it.

I would say there are better ways to make money than a 50 percent chance to make 20 percent more.

Also these predictions are 10+ years in the future. How often have people actually predicted that far from the future? Almost none. The only ones I can think of are bets on fragility: more downsides than upsides as time progresses.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by arijun on Thursday February 23, 2017 @02:37AM (#13712317)

Remember though that Tesla will no longer be just a car company. The battery market is huge and will only get bigger as utility scale projects boost demand (like the 80MW one in Southern California Tesla just installed), and if residential solar takes off, solar city stands to make a decent amount of money.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by ckastner on Thursday February 23, 2017 @08:49AM (#13713793)

The larger the battery market becomes, the more competition it will attract. Tesla is certainly starting off with a nice lead, but it would be foolish to underestimate the capabilities of other players who might just not be interested enough in this market yet, and who'll -- for the moment -- happily have Tesla serve as a canary.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by dragontamer on Thursday February 23, 2017 @12:14PM (#13715592)

I'm not entirely sure if Tesla's battery tech is a sufficient differentiator.

Tesla is a slave to the Lithium Ion process of Panasonic. If a new chemistry breakthrough comes out tomorrow (ie: Redox Flow has huge potential in the utility space, even if it has little potential in the retail space)... Panasonic will be able to switch to the new chemistry but Tesla's battery tech is basically Lithium Ion only.

Tesla's battery technology is literally the battery electronics. Not the chemical cells. Tesla seems to employ chemical experts so that their battery-electronics can better predict the effects of the chemistry... but really... they're only putting together cells. Tesla doesn't make the 18650, Panasonic does. Tesla just puts a bunch of 18650 together, as well as have some sort of algorithm to make them charge / discharge at high efficiency.

Tesla is completely dependent on Panasonic's chemistry. The speed at which LG was able to build a "Silicon-Lithium Ion" battery pack of GM's Bolt only demonstrates how "easy" the battery-pack problem is.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by whiskers08xmt on Thursday February 23, 2017 @04:24AM (#13712663)

And as solar gets cheaper and cheaper, there's only going to be more incentive to install batteries.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by dagw on Thursday February 23, 2017 @04:42AM (#13712722)

You're still making a bet that Tesla will become a top 3 car company in the world.

Or that they will sell/license batteries and technology to the top 3 car companies in the world.

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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by idiot_stick on Thursday February 23, 2017 @05:34AM (#13712897)

Also highly competitive, low margin business.

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