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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by Someone1234 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @05:59PM (#13710065)
I'm glad that people look up to someone like that.

What I am disappointed by is how his fans react to criticism. There's healthy respect and there's unhealthy worship. When you have a bunch of people who will get really upset due to any criticism that is on the worship side of the coin. Any community with voting arrows (HN/Reddit) suppresses anything negative said (no matter how supportable/well constructed the criticism may be).

Plus these same fans love to attack competition who are also doing really cool stuff instead of supporting them (e.g. Orbital ATK, Faraday Future, NIKOLA ONE, et al). Using arguments that are often double standards or ignore Tesla/SpaceX's own history to make them work.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:26PM (#13710243)
Huge fan boy here. I'm not saying he does no wrong; he's ruined his first, second, and third marriages. He's probably not around at all for his five kids. Its assuredly soul crushing (workload/expectation-wise, not mission, which makes a huge difference) working for him.

But he's changing the world. So I give the guy wide latitude with my opinion. At least he's not yet another useless silicon valley billionaire. He is the least terrible billionaire industrialist IMHO.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by idiot_stick on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:55PM (#13710407)
>He is the least terrible billionaire industrialist IMHO

This is a great place to meet in the middle between the cynics and fanboys.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by dingo_bat on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:34PM (#13711182)
> He is the least terrible billionaire industrialist IMHO.

I'd say Bill gates still retains that title.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by erikpukinskis on Thursday February 23, 2017 @12:11AM (#13711801)
Only if you ignore his time at Microsoft.

Yes, he has done great things since he left. But he set the computer industry back decades with his predatory business tactics.

A big part of the reason why we have so many walled gardens now is because he started the trend. And we're lucky we have multiple walled gardens. If he had succeeded a little longer we'd still only have one big one.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by mncharity on Thursday February 23, 2017 @02:01AM (#13712185)
Isn't Gates still heavily invested and active in Intellectual Ventures? And the Gates Foundation involved as well? My impression is Gates and Myhrvold are still a team, though like Microsoft itself, now focus their efforts on creating and monetizing intellectual property.

So one became a humanitarian statesman? And the other became king of the patent trolls, the most feared man in the Valley? Or perhaps soon, humanitarian statesman and inquisitive chef? Image management is mazing.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by lawnchair_larry on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @11:10PM (#13711565)
You must be young.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by adwn on Thursday February 23, 2017 @05:23AM (#13712862)
> You must be young.

This is condescending and not constructive. You should know better than to post like this on HN.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by mikeash on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:32PM (#13710280)
Orbital and such are doing great things, but Faraday appears to be a bunch of scammers with no product. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but until they demonstrate that they have something, I don't see what's wrong with criticizing them.