How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by muninn_ on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @10:27AM (#13706170)

This has nothing to do with libertarianism nor serves as a coherent critique of it. In fact, some of your points are things that we see readily in governments today. As an example, many corrupt police officers exist in many government systems, including western countries. A critique of libertarianism based on such things is not well thought out.

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Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by zzzeek on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @10:51AM (#13706382)

we live in a democracy. In Ferguson, police were abusive and corrupt. Mass protests followed, media attention was gathered, changes were made.

In libertarian land, mass protests against police corruption and abuse occur, the media is not allowed to enter, the protestors are all shot on sight. The end. The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government.

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Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by muninn_ on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @10:58AM (#13706436)

Or maybe it doesn't happen. In hypothetical land anything goes!

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Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by consentist on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @12:09PM (#13707054)

> The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government.

This is why libertarian constitution is designed to be simple and objective, as much as possible. Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it. The philosophy also happen to rely on technology to enforce the constitution which rules out subjectiveness/corruption considerably.

Also though there are many variations in libertarianism but none of it will interfere between two consenting adults (such as buying drugs etc). Thus no wars on drugs.

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Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by zzzeek on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @01:18PM (#13707696)

> Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it.

which, as pointed out, is completely hypothetical and additionally defies common sense. burden is on libertarians to prove this extraordinary claim. unfortunately, most non-libertarians don't know/care enough about the whole issue to even demand such proof which is why we are stuck with all this "soft" libertarianism roaming about causing great damage.

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Re:How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global... by consentist on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @01:38PM (#13707897)

My claim is: highly objective criminal-code/constitution ==> low corruption. Do you disagree with this ? Any couter examples.

Note: "jailtime += 20yrs if skin_color==black" is objective but not libertarian.

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