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Re:Why Chinese Is So Damned Hard by tokenadult on Saturday May 22, 2010 @08:07AM (#1370204)
A list of languages I have studied before can be found at

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=963415

Suffice it to say that Chinese grammar is NOT "trivial" to anyone who digs into it deeply. No linguist would say so. Chinese grammar, being based in large part on word order and function words, rather than on inflection, is friendly to native speakers of English, and that is one of the reasons I preferred learning Chinese to learning Russian at university while I was taking courses in both. But there is plenty of grammar in Chinese, and plenty of misunderstanding of grammar among Chinese persons that impairs understanding among people who speak differing Sinitic languages.

Re:Why Chinese Is So Damned Hard by Jun8 on Saturday May 22, 2010 @09:39AM (#1370273)
OK< maybe "trivial" was a little too strong. All human languages need a certain grammatical complexity to function. What I was trying to say that, being isolating languages, the grammatical complexity of Chinese languages pale in comparison with those of Indo-European languages, which still carry most of their inflectional heritage.

English, due to its unique development history, has lost most of its inflectional forms, it used to be heavily inflected. So, in that sense its basic grammar is said to be simpler than, say, Ancient Greek or French.

Re:Why Chinese Is So Damned Hard by Jd on Saturday May 22, 2010 @05:03PM (#1371051)
Is not the "grammar" you refer the largely loose particles because of the lack of formal grammar, rather than the reverse? If so, I standby my original statement that the grammar (meaning formal grammar) is trivial.

Why not give an example of a grammar point that you think I am missing?

Re:Why Chinese Is So Damned Hard by tokenadult on Saturday May 22, 2010 @08:37PM (#1371386)
I've already cited books in this thread, and they list dozens of features of Modern Standard Chinese grammar that are confusing even to speakers of other Sinitic languages.

An example I often bring up to English speakers who are learning Chinese is that they have to learn that the Chinese verbal system is based on aspect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect

rather than on tense. Many native English speakers misspeak Chinese as a second language because they struggle to impose their sense of tense on a tenseless language, and meanwhile get Chinese aspect marking all wrong. That can lead to misunderstandings in either direction, as my extensive acquaintance with persons who speak both languages often shows.

Re:Why Chinese Is So Damned Hard by Jd on Saturday May 22, 2010 @09:55PM (#1371538)
Aspect is trivial.