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Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by justinsaccount on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:23PM (#13698772)
> I would feel 10x more comfortable sharing my liberal viewpoints in a small, deeply-red town

I'm sure I'd feel comfortable sharing liberal viewpoints in a small, deeply-red town as well, but I'm also a straight white male.

You're worry about being ostracized. People in Kansas have to worry that radical christian terrorists are going to murder them [1].

[1]: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/kansas-crusaders-arreste...

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by Exofunctor on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @04:17PM (#13700091)
Having lived for >2 years in 6 different US states (NY, CA, TX, MA, NV, MT) and cities with populations ranging from 2,000 to 20,000,000, I can absolutely guarantee you that rural white areas have the least internalized racism of anywhere in the US. The communities are small enough that racial classification isn't actually a useful heuristic, so people just use social connections and character instead. Second to that are places where what people in CA and NY often call "casual racism" (I.e. Humor based on racial/ethnic stereotypes) is acceptable; it allows people to recognize and accept cultural differences (that might otherwise cause conflict) in a friendly way. Texas is a great example of this; San Antonio is majority Mexican background, with a huge Muslim population as well. People across ethno-cultural lines bond over good-spirited racial jokes about super tacos, Los Espurs, canned queso, and the Israeli-palestinian conflict.

By far the most internally racist populations I've ever lived in were those where any recognition of ethno-cultural differences was explicitly verboten. If you make a joke about Mexican culture in SF (even if you're Mexican), there's a good chance you're getting fired, so internal thoughts about ethnic differences are suppressed and allowed to fester, and then people cover it up psychologically with a huge dose of self-loathing and, externally, doing the exact opposite of whatever is thought to be racist. The result is a modern version of "white man's burden"; a lot of the people in SF are absolutely convinced that without their help the poor, trod-upon people of color (replacement for "minorities" after that phrase starter to apply to white people in many US regions) would surely starve.

The point being, being a straight white male has nothing to do with it. For the record, I'm neither straight nor white, and I agree with the GP that I felt safer expressing disagreement in conservative environments than I do in very liberal cities like SF and NY.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by kolbe on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @05:30PM (#13700717)
This is spot on. Growing up in Sacramento, one of the most diverse cities in the US, I never felt racially divided, despite the fact that my friends and I would casually toss around very pejorative slurs at one-another. But when I moved to Chicago, I never once heard an N-bomb, and at them same time, I'd never felt more racial segregation.

I've always found it really funny that extremely disfunctional racist places like Chicago feel like they should define the cultural behaviors to fix racism.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by quanticle on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @02:57AM (#13703961)

    Having lived for >2 years in 6 different US states (NY, CA, TX, MA, NV, MT) 
    and cities with populations ranging from 2,000 to 20,000,000, I can 
    absolutely guarantee you that rural white areas have the least internalized 
    racism of anywhere in the US.
First of all, I will note that none of those places are in the Deep South (e.g. Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, etc). I would claim that there are strong regional differences in racism in the US. While conservative rural areas in the West have a reputation for being pretty tolerant, that reputation does not hold for places that had a longstanding slaveholding tradition. Texas is somewhat of an exception to this, because of its rather unique history.

Secondly, are you yourself white? I only ask because I am not, and I have had the experience of going into a store in a rural, conservative area, hearing conversations stop and heads turn as everyone stopped to look at the different-looking person walking in.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by imarg on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:34AM (#13704750)
Honest question: Do you think this wouldn't have happened if you where white?

I believe that when you are referring to rural, conservative areas anyone that is a stranger or strange looking (clothes, hair etc.) would have a similar experience.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by panic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:53PM (#13699194)
Blowing terror incidents out of proportion is the exact same rhetorical tactic used against Muslims. In general, I think this cherry-picked focus on extremists is what got us into this mess. We need to spend less time spreading one-off news stories and more time listening to and empowering the actual people we're arguing over.
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by hkmurakami on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:47PM (#13699131)
Leaders and managers of organizations have said that they'd like to sabotage the careers of Trump supporters and/or Republicans in their org.

That's pretty threatening I think?

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by eli_gottlieb on Monday February 27, 2017 @10:31AM (#13744901)
It wouldn't be any kind of threat if not for at-will employment.
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by justinsaccount on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:53PM (#13699190)
Again, people are worried about being murdered by radical christian terrorists. Worried about not being allowed to come home after leaving the country for a vacation. Worried about their healthcare and reproductive rights being taken away.

You are worried that a private organization that someone no right to be a part of might not want to have anything to do with the alt-right?

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by ameister14 on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @05:41PM (#13700828)
>people are worried about being murdered by radical christian terrorists.

The link you posted doesn't support that. “These charges are based on eight months of investigation by the FBI that is alleged to have taken the investigators deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Beall. “Many Kansans may find it as startling as I do that such things could happen here.”

A hidden culture, not an open one, and open surprise and bewilderment from people don't really work with the idea that people are actually worried about being murdered by christian terrorists. It sounds like people didn't even know this existed.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by hkmurakami on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:56PM (#13699228)
Are you saying that one awful situation should be discounted because there's an even more awful situation elsewhere for other people?
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by rfrank on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @05:25PM (#13700673)
There's countries in the world that are completely unable to feed their people, provide any modicum of security, and where that's been the case for decades.

You are worried about problems in America?

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by mrkurt on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:44PM (#13699080)
What's the purpose of devaluing someone's opinion / level of comfort like that? This is exactly how you get people to disengage and destroy any chance you have of persuading them of ... whatever you want to persuade them of.
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by justinsaccount on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:49PM (#13699141)
"I don't understand what you are complaining about, I have no problem finding a seat on the bus"

- Some white guy in 1955.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by mrkurt on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:05PM (#13699332)
The original comment sounded entirely different than that to me.

Regardless, if said white guy from 1955 said he was uncomfortable about something, or otherwise felt bad, telling him why other people have it worse seems counter productive. Someone always has it worse.

Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by Chris2048 on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @07:26PM (#13701661)
So basically, it's his fault his opinion is so offensive?
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by justinsaccount on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:00PM (#13699288)
But the bus is great for me. I'm perfectly comfortable riding right up at the front. How dare you devalue my opinion and level of comfort like this!
Re:What I Heard from Trump Supporters by Chris2048 on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @07:24PM (#13701649)