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Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:53AM (#13679679)
The negative externality is, from what I can tell, "I don't like it when my neighbor engages in activities in the privacy of his own home that don't affect me".

When did this become a valid reason to regulate an activity? Can I use this as a reason to regulate other private activities as well? If not, why not?

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by wkrause on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:09AM (#13679755)
I guess for the same reason home owners associations exist. Personal choices that are visible in the communal space can affect property values and people's enjoyment of the area.

For many living next to a constant stream of strangers is undesirable.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:17AM (#13679793)
There are lots of things people don't want to live next to. For example, lots of folks don't want to live near the wrong type of people.

Typically we consider those desires morally invalid and not something to be supported. Why is "short term" a morally valid way to characterize the "wrong type of people"?

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by idiot_stick on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:14AM (#13679773)
>When did this become a valid reason to regulate an activity?

When you operate on the assumption that people aren't affected by AirBnB rentals in their buildings this is an easy argument. But sometimes people are affected.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by pg314 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:13AM (#13679771)
It's not your neighbor that engages in activities. It are random strangers with minimal vetting that will be gone the next day.

Are you unable to see the difference and how that might affect you?

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:21AM (#13679810)
A guest my neighbor met on Grindr is a random stranger with minimal vetting that will be gone the next day. Should we also regulate Grindr?

I don't see any difference that matters, nor do I see the underlying moral principle that allows me to distinguish between one and the other. The principle you've stated clearly isn't it, unless you also favor regulating Grindr.

(I'm deliberately choosing Grindr here in order to make my example conflict with left wing mood affiliation.)

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by switch007 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @10:08AM (#13680029)
Your neighbour is going to supervise their Grindr date (probably much more...intimately than any other kind of guest) and not leave them in the apartment for a long weekend while your neighbour leaves town. That's my scant understanding of Grindr, anyway !
Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by dwaltrip on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:52AM (#13680546)
Grindr guests are personal guests, not customers of a service like Airbnb guests. As another person stated, the Airbnb guest is likely to be unsupervised, and has no vested interest in keeping the house and local community nice other than general decency and their Airbnb reputation. This is enough for many visitors, but there are a portion that don't care.

Are you willing to admit that this may change the local community dynamics in a negative way for long term residents?

I use Airbnb. I think it's great (from my perspective). However, I understand why some may want to limit it.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:04PM (#13680624)
I agree that lots of things might change "local community dynamics" - for example, a gay neighbor having a parade of flamboyantly dressed houseguests can do the same thing. So can letting in neighbors of a different race.

I guess I'm just the kind of person who believes that two consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they like in the privacy of their own bedroom.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by someguydave on Sunday February 19, 2017 @10:30AM (#13680131)
In the US the answer is clearly 'yes you can regulate his private business'.

In many US cities renting out a home is a violation of local zoning code. The government places a large number of restrictions on what you can do on 'your land.'

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:29AM (#13680427)
Salviati: "It is morally wrong to pass a law saying my neighbor cannot rent his home to negroes, and those advocating for such laws are bad people."

Simplicio (historical): "In the US the answer is clearly 'yes you can regulate his private business'. In many US cities renting out a home to a negro is a violation of the local zoning code."

Do you see the fallacy of this argument? I'm arguing "should", not "is".

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by someguydave on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:25PM (#13683763)
> Do you see the fallacy of this argument?

I do. If you go read the historical justification for zoning law in the US (by the way zoning and land use laws were originally intended to keep negroes out rich neighborhoods) they rest on the idea that as long as the government can come up with a "rational basis" that the law would "improve the public welfare" than zoning laws are a legitimate exercise in state police power. This was around the 1920's.

Later you have a concern for civil rights but the courts pretty much ignored the issue of how zoning might impact poor minorities.

There's been some lefty rumbling about maybe modifying the zoning code so that poor minorities can still afford to live in rich areas. Of course the remedies proposed are better zoning laws, not no zoning laws.

My concern is that these land use laws take away yield from capital (ie rent from landowners). The US economy has not been growing very fast lately - I don't think the US can any longer afford the costs of an extensive regulatory state. Locking away the returns to land in exchange for centrally planning all the land uses might make things feel "nice" in the short run but in the long run could impoverish the country.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by dwaltrip on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:54AM (#13680556)
To clarify, you don't think that any city should regulate people selling short term stays in their private residence, in any way?
Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by yummyfajitas on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:07PM (#13680641)
I think if they do regulate it, they should have a good reason for it.

All the reasons cited in this thread seem pretty bad. I say they are bad because when you apply the same reasons to regulating anything other than AirBnB, suddenly they don't seem like good reasons at all.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by someguydave on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:59PM (#13683914)
>they should have a good reason for it.

The Supreme Court says otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review

In order to justify the New Deal the Court lowered its standard for state infringement of liberty to: "You just need any reason for this law, it doesn't have to be a good one"

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by dwaltrip on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:11PM (#13680665)
I just responded to one of your examples elsewhere in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13680648