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Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by bitL on Saturday February 18, 2017 @04:40PM (#13676845)
Poland has the highest reading - something going awry at Chernobyl or somebody testing low yield nukes?

I am also really disappointed this wasn't anywhere in the news, at least people could have taken some iodine. I understand the level is low but there is still non-zero probability of somebody going ill from it.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by KMag on Saturday February 18, 2017 @08:30PM (#13677707)
> I am also really disappointed this wasn't anywhere in the news, at least people could have taken some iodine.

Edit: I know this is harsh, but the OP should realize their post is somewhere on the anti-vaxxer-Facebook-post-scale. It's somewhere around a millipost, but it registers on the scale.

What should the news flash say? "Run from the nearest banana, person, airplane, or mountain."

I'm really disappointed at your disappointment despite an absolute lack of critical thought on your part. What fraction of a banana would you have to eat in order to have the same effect? How many nights would you need to sleep next to someone instead of alone to get the same dose? How many minutes at 30,000 feet does that correspond to?

Back-of-the envelope calculations: the half life is about 8 days, remembering your infinite series from high school, 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 ... = 1. So, the total dose over an infinite time frame is the same as 2 half lives at the initial level, so 16 days = 1,382,400 at 1.5e-6 Bq/m^3 works out to about 2 decays per cubic meter over an infinite time frame.

Even assuming you absorbed any decay from 10 cubic meters of air around you, I'm too lazy to look up the difference in number of Joules between Iodine and Potassium decay and work out what fraction of a banana you'd have to eat to get the same dose, or how many days of sleeping next to someone that works out to, but even assuming at steady state you absorb every radioactive decay from 10 m^3 of air (gigantic over-estimate), this is an absolutely tiny dose.

The danger of someone panicking and accidentally overdosing on iodine, or suffering a heart attack/stroke from the increased stress following such a news announcement is almost certainly higher than the risk of someone getting cancer from this.

I live in Hong Kong, where a fair number of people in finance moved from Tokyo following the Fukushima disaster out of radiation concerns. The natural background radiation levels in Hong Kong are higher in Hong Kong by more than the additional radiation in Tokyo due to Fukushima.

You've done literally over a hundred things in the past 24 hours that pose much more danger to you than 1.5 uBq / m^3 of iodine decay.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by bitL on Sunday February 19, 2017 @01:13PM (#13681010)
Other sources indicate something that might be related - arrival of a "sniffer" WC-135 plane from Florida to UK that detects and monitors radioactive events. So there might be something going on (or not).

Anyway, why is it so bad to be concerned about health impact of even negligible radioactive release (are you sure newborns/sick do have the same threshold?) as an ordinary citizen, given the massive dishonesty of governments in the past in cases like Chernobyl or Fukushima? Why can't we just read in the newspapers within 2-3 days "we detected a minuscule amount of radiation, probably related to bad weather" or something, rather than keep a lid on it? Don't we deserve better? Or do we have to be handled like kindergarteners with somebody else deciding what is good for us to know?

And please stop with the banana examples, it's getting tiring. You 100% know there are various radioactive elements emitting different types of radiation, some way more dangerous than the others. Iodine by itself is just a first indicator but it's not the only element that gets released; some of the others are way more dangerous and we deserve to know. Not to mention there is a very different outcome if you just get some element on your skin or if it gets incorporated (cumulatively!) into your bones, organs or gets stuck in your lungs.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by pbhjpbhj on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:43AM (#13679626)
>What should the news flash say? "Run from the nearest banana, person, airplane, or mountain." //

The news story should say "slightly elevated background radiation levels detected across Europe" and have an spokesman from the nuclear industry and a doctor quoted saying it's about as harmful as walking past a banana.

The fact we can't trust the media to report on something without inciting chaos is pretty awful.

Your position appears to be: we can't let the press report on interesting environmental anomalies because it could cause a panic. Meh.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by KMag on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:53AM (#13680552)
I think the way the information was published was appropriate. The OP was openly criticizing the fact that the information went through through the normal review and publishing process instead of some urgent channel that would have given some non-negligible number of members of the general public the opportunity to take potassium iodide tablets.

My position is that it's detrimental to society to pressure the media into prominently covering non-issues that sound scary on the surface, without first taking the tiniest amount of effort to attempt to asses the level of danger. Such people should expect to be called out.

People are generally over-concerned about scary-sounding things of little to no danger, and vastly vastly under-concerned about mundane lifestyle issues that statistically pose the greatest threat to their health and lives. Those who openly criticize the media for lack of urgency in coverage without first checking if there's any actual danger of note should be made aware that they're contributing to the problem.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by bootload on Monday February 20, 2017 @02:07AM (#13685068)
"What should the news flash say?"

"Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?" ~ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13683110

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by kkarp on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:35PM (#13677073)
This is a map of air pollution in Europe.

http://www.zzit.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Powietrze.jpg

Poland is struggling right now because of huge smog. This makes me believe in this part of an article, which says that higher iodine detection might be caused by accumulation in smog.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by chinathrow on Saturday February 18, 2017 @06:25PM (#13677261)
That sounds somewhat reasonable for the high readings in Poland, but why in Spain?
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by pvaldes on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:06AM (#13679496)
Is even more interesting if we take in mind that just last week, Spanish government was talking about to extend the lifetime and reopen one of the oldest nuclear plants located not far away from where those high measures were taken.
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by iSnow on Saturday February 18, 2017 @04:47PM (#13676893)
I think we can rule out low-yield nukes, those test would still create a noticeable signal.

If I had to place a bet, then I'd put it on some low to medium accident at a nuclear power station in Russia that led to an emergency release of contaminated steam.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by matthewmcg on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:26PM (#13677038)
Somewhat of a digression, but this very technical discussion about nuclear test monitoring by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization is really interesting: http://omegataupodcast.net/185-nuclear-test-monitoring-and-t...
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by dgut on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:46PM (#13677123)
I don't think there's much point in guessing.
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by patall on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:25PM (#13677033)
Yeah, but taking too much iodine also results in a non-zero probability of side effects (I mean it is already not recommended to take pills for anyone over 45). If there is no real risk assumed, such news would only serve to spread panic and sensationalism. As long as it is not buried, I rather prefer it like this.
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by ge0rg on Saturday February 18, 2017 @04:42PM (#13676864)
Poland has the highest reading

I wondered so as well, but the second-highest was from Spain, and I struggle to form a consistent picture from that.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by ars on Saturday February 18, 2017 @08:04PM (#13677612)
You would need to merge the map with wind readings to try to figure out where it came from.

But due to the fact that they have not done so I assume it's harder than it looks.

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by lostlogin on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:11PM (#13676992)
Is there a non zero risk from that dose? I don't know how to apply that result to an individual, but it would seem a likely big extrapolation on the linear no threshhold model. When was the shield moved over Chernobyl, could that have stirred things up?
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by manarth on Saturday February 18, 2017 @05:17PM (#13677015)

    When was the shield moved over Chernobyl?
November 2016, although the side walls won't be up until August this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_New_Safe_Confinement
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by codecamper on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:40AM (#13679240)
How about a shield UNDER Chernobyl? Isn't the core still unstable & prone to heat-up / meltdown still?
Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by manarth on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:41AM (#13679418)

  How about a shield UNDER Chernobyl?
They recognised the issue right away. Firstly, the bubbler pool was emptied of water (there was fear that if the core reached the water, it would cause a steam explosion). They started using liquid nitrogen to freeze the ground beneath the reactor, then scrapped that idea and filled the bubbler pool with concrete instead.

They started digging a tunnel in May 1986 [1] (7 days after the accident), with a void below the reactor. They planned to fit a heat-exchanger into the void. It's not clear whether it was ever installed, but the consensus is that if it was installed, it was never used, and the core didn't reach the void [2].

[1] https://wiseinternational.org/chernobyl-disaster

[2] http://knowledgeglue.com/amazing-un-seen-photos-chernobyl-di...

Re:Detection of radioactive iodine at trace levels in Europe... by jakub_g on Saturday February 18, 2017 @04:44PM (#13676879)
Regarding Chernobyl, they've just put in place a new sarcophagus in late 2016 after years of work. One would rather expect the radiation to get lower (but I am not an expert). Interesting anyway.