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Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by stymaar on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:14AM (#13668041)
I agree with you that Ubuntu had a really positive impact on Linux adoption by providing a polished operating system.

That being said I think they somewhat deserve the bad opinion the Linux community has about them: Canonical decided to play solo on several critical subject instead of cooperating with others, in particular I'm thinking about upstart (a competitor for systemd) and Mir a competitor of wayland).

Their marketing is also pain point, because they brand everything as Ubuntu and don't refer to Linux at all in many of their statements (for instance, you cannot find a single occurance of the word «Linux» on their landing page[1]).

[1] https://www.ubuntu.com/

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by antnisp on Friday February 17, 2017 @09:05AM (#13668294)
Upstart not only came before systemd but is the init system of the still supported RHEL 6. I am not qualified to judge which one is better but let's agree on the facts.

As far as the marketing goes, it is a larger trend. See Fedora Workstation/Server, elementaryOS. In fact, on the CentOS homepage there is nary a mention of Linux.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by Daviey on Friday February 17, 2017 @03:26PM (#13671415)
Not only that.. but Lennart was working on Upstart.. committed to working on some items.. Came back, and said - "Surprise, i've made systemd instead".. which is a bit of a kick when you are depending on him to do the features he said he'd do.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by Crespyl on Friday February 17, 2017 @04:43PM (#13671959)
When you put it like that, it sort of reminds me of how Mir came about.

Maybe that's unfair.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by Longhanks on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:23AM (#13668088)
I know what you're trying to say, but to the average user (which Ubuntu probably targets), does it matter?

If you look at the whole product, there's much more to it than Linux. Linux is 'just' the kernel, I doubt the average Joe cares what kernel his device runs. Most probably don't know that their Android phone is powered by Linux, too. Also, this leads to the old "GNU/Linux" discussion. Where would Canonical stop acknowledging important parts of the OS? Ubuntu GNU/Linux/systemd/libinput/Mesa/Qt...

I'd also love to see Canonical mention that Ubuntu uses Linux, but I understand that for their product and their target group, it doesn't really matter (and it may seem more important to push forward the brand "Ubuntu").

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by LordKano on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:06AM (#13669188)
Yes, the same kinds of people who laughed at Stallman's "GNU/Linux" nomenclature are now apoplectic about Ubuntu's branding.

We know that Ubuntu is "Ubuntu Linux" and Linux is "GNU/Linux".

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by stymaar on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:53AM (#13669038)
> I know what you're trying to say, but to the average user (which Ubuntu probably targets), does it matter?

I'm not trying to make a point here, I just wanted to give some context to someone asking a question. I'm not an Ubuntu user, but I'm not an Ubuntu hater either: the distribution I use (Linux Mint) wouldn't even work without Ubuntu.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by abdulmuhaimin on Friday February 17, 2017 @09:02AM (#13668281)
thats why its hated by the "Linux community". Casual Linux user like you mentioned(me included) doesnt care much about these behind the scene stuff.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by digi_owl on Friday February 17, 2017 @12:27PM (#13670009)
Mops will be mops...
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by digi_owl on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:36AM (#13668144)
Actually upstart came before systemd.