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Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by throwanem on Monday February 13, 2017 @05:03AM (#13634231)
I intended that to refer to both child pornography and child sexual abuse, although I appreciate I could've been more clear there.

And in any case, I don't think I strayed very far, if at all, into hyperbole, even taken verbatim. Child pornography may not be the same thing as child molestation, but it's still plenty vile nonetheless.

Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by naasking on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:44AM (#13636619)
> Child pornography may not be the same thing as child molestation, but it's still plenty vile nonetheless.

More hyperbole. You really think young cartoon characters conducting sexual acts, which is illegal child porn, is as vile as perfectly legal scat porn? Or is your claim once again hyperbolic because, a) it's not your sexual preference, and b) you assumed, wrongly, that everything classified as child porn is necessarily harmful to children?

Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by throwanem on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:05PM (#13637799)
Where have I said anything of the sort? For all the accusations of hyperbole you're throwing around, you sure do seem to be more inclined to answer the points I haven't made than to answer those I have.
Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by naasking on Monday February 13, 2017 @02:24PM (#13637942)
I'm responding to the literal meaning of your words. No one can divine your intended meaning.

You even said that my interpretation of your literal words was not far from your intent, and doubled-down on your claim that child porn is almost as vile as child molestation. I then pointed out that some cartoons are considered child porn, and contrasted that with legal porn that's also widely considered to be vile, then asked if you stand by your claim that underage cartoon sex is really more vile than this type of legal porn (which doesn't even touch on the issue of why vileness is a meaningful metric of legality, as opposed to something obviously meaningful like harm).

So I can't see how I'm arguing in bad faith.

Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by throwanem on Monday February 13, 2017 @07:13PM (#13640117)
US federal law [1], per the Department of Justice, disagrees:

> Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor...

No language exists to include depictions of the sort you describe, which are trivially distinguishable from an actual minor.

Perhaps you argue from the law of a specific US state, but you need in that case to name the state on whose laws you base your argument, and explain why they have a stronger bearing on the matter at hand than the laws of the nation entire.

If you're going to continue to accuse me of engaging in hyperbole, authoritarianism, ignorant pseudoscientific wittering, and whatever else you can think of, that is of course your privilege, and I would never dream of suggesting you demur. But will you please leaven it a bit with actual substance, as in your comment full of rich, meaty counter-citations to my hypothesis around reinforcement, a comment which I look forward to perusing? That was an excellent comment, and I appreciate it! Quite aside from the tantalizing possibility of learning something new and thus improving my understanding of reality, one does eventually grow tired of the same thing over and over; a bit of variety appeals.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-fede...

Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by naasking on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:15PM (#13647744)
Tell that to the people actually serving time for cartoon child porn:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornogra...

Re:Man jailed 16 months, and counting, for refusing to decry... by throwanem on Saturday February 18, 2017 @10:43AM (#13675134)
The, what, half-dozen or so of them, almost all of whom actually did possess, and were charged with crimes revolving around, actual child pornography as well?