Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API

Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by fnord123 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:52PM (#13594258)

Vulkan is a new API distinct from OpenGL. It's lower level but has a nicer API in some respects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)

Apple decided to not support Vulkan as it had been developing a competing API called Metal at around the same time. I don't know why they don't also support Vulkan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_(API)

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by dkonofalski on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:08PM (#13594342)

But Microsoft isn't supporting Vulkan in Windows either, so why is there only a fuss about Apple's support for it? Both companies have competing API's (Direct X and Metal), but Apple is the only one getting flack for it. Why is that?

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by detaro on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:14PM (#13594385)

For Windows I install a graphics driver by the GPU maker and get Vulkan support (according to wikipedia that is the case for Nvidia, AMD and Intel), since Windows allows drivers to offer such APIs without any specific support by Microsoft. With a Mac all the drivers come via Apple, without support for it.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by fnord123 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:40PM (#13594543)

Not just Mac. A big deal is ios' missing support.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by cwyers on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:36PM (#13594911)

Two major reasons:

1) Windows allows the GPU manufacturers to ship their own Vulkan support; AMD, Nvidia and Intel all do this, which covers 99.99999999999999% of all Windows machines where this is an issue. It's not as good as native support, but it's good enough.

2) Windows has over 90% market share on desktop. macOS has far, far less. It's a lot easier to get people to support your API when you have that kind of market share. iOS doesn't have enough market share for devs to ignore Android.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by fnord123 on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @03:49AM (#13596834)

>which covers 99.99999999999999% of all Windows machines where this is an issue.

TIL Matrox only has <00.00000000000001% of the market. :(

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by threeseed on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @01:10AM (#13596200)

Apple allows GPU manufacturers to ship their own Vulkan support as well.

It's likely not worth the vendor's effort but still.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by jolux on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @01:54AM (#13596364)

If they were, say, actively revoking the certs of people trying to do this then it would be a different question, but it seems like the answer is the same for why anything gaming-related works worse or doesn't work at all on macOS: most gamers use Windows.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by liuliu on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @10:40PM (#13595512)

Saying it is around the same time is to ignore the history.

Metal is available since Jun 2014. Vulkan announced on 2015 and the initial release is on 2016.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by fnord123 on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @04:14AM (#13596935)

You're right. And Vulkan is based on Mantle which was already available in 2013 (in drivers; with api docs available in 2015 for some reason[1]). Why Kronos/Valve/etc didn't use Metal as a starting point, I don't know.

[1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/9095/amd-mantle-api-programmin...

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by vetinari on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @10:31AM (#13598965)

Metal in 2014 is a different animal than Metal in 2016.

In 2014, it assumed that the GPU has unified memory architecture, for example (i.e. the GPU can access a memory buffer that you have a pointer to). That's why it was introduced on iOS only.

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