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Re:How an obscure cult grew to become the dominant religion ... by coldtea on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @09:08AM (#13589403)
>If you want to define Christianity as a set of precepts derived from the teachings of Christ then you must define the teachings of Christ. This seems like an impossible task to me.

Not really. Christianity is defined by the teachings of Christ "as we know them".

If Christ existed, but had e.g. completely different teachings, then it would be irrelevant to know them (as pertaining to Christianity).

(It would be interesting to know them, of course, but it wouldn't be the "real Christianity". Christianity is defined by its history: the scripts it was based upon, and what the churches calling themselves christian did.).

That's because Christianity caught on and was adopted for the specific message we know. Not just because some Christ person spoke those things, but for their content (as we know it).

It's just like if someone comes and says "the real KFC recipe by the kernel is actually with marmalade and fish-oil". Even if that's true, what KFC is to people is what they've known to eat for all those decades, not merely a generic placeholder than can hold any value as long as it proves to be more historically accurate than the previous.

Re:How an obscure cult grew to become the dominant religion ... by gbog on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @09:54AM (#13589709)
Except that the "teachings of Christ as we know them" has already changed a lot over time and has arguably never very close to the guy from Nazareth we can infer from the many echoes we have in the scriptures of his time and report from disciples. For example he was much more Jewish than we usually think he was. He would be surprised to find so many people talking about choosing him as a model while eating "impure meat" and not being circumcised. Yes he emphasised Faith over Law but only long time after Paul did Chirstianity start to fork again from Judaism.

So the "teaching of Jesus as we know them" is a human construct only remotely rooted in what the actual Jesus might have thought or said, and therefore has nothing special (magical) compared to, say, Buddhism.

Re:How an obscure cult grew to become the dominant religion ... by tps5 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @09:37AM (#13589607)
You took this completely out of context. I was responding to someone who was arguing for an objectively correct way to interpret Christian scripture that leads to a set of behaviors that defines Christianity.

I agree with most of your argument, and it's pretty similar to what I wrote. But:

> Not really. Christianity is defined by the teachings of Christ "as we know them".

How do you define "as we know them?"

It seems to me that you're supposing that there's some "overall message" to Christianity that exists within the modern population of Christians. I don't agree with this, and I see no coherent way to discover what that message would be. But if you want to define a religion in this way, you have to take on that task.

I think that Christianity should be defined by "what is practiced as Christianity today," within each community that sees itself as Christian. Therefore, my argument goes, there isn't a single coherent "Christendom." Instead, there exists a highly fragmented population of Christians, across which practices and beliefs significantly differ. My argument is that none of these Christian communities is any more correct than the others.

I think that's a pretty mainstream interpretation of modern Christianity. I don't think I'm really reaching here.

Re:How an obscure cult grew to become the dominant religion ... by coldtea on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @03:53PM (#13592686)
>How do you define "as we know them?" It seems to me that you're supposing that there's some "overall message" to Christianity that exists within the modern population of Christians.

No, I just mean "as we know them" as books -- the words in series. Not their interpretations.

The various churches and demoninations, yes, they are about the teachings of Christ as they "know them" (that is, they include their historically developed interpretation on top).