HN is not a place for partisan or ideological battle. Commenters here need to swerve away from such flames, not straight into them.

Edit: it looks like you've been using HN primarily for political arguments. That's an abuse of this site and we eventually ban accounts that do it (regardless of the politics they espouse) so please don't do that.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13570725 and marked it off-topic.