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Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:40PM (#13568917)
In fact, I would wish Facebook to contract with and take over identity management systems (ie. social security, drivers license) away from local and federal government - not to dictate policy but just to dictate infrastructure.

Is it "fear-mongering" to bring up this episode again?

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

Re:Facebook is terrifying by conistonwater on Saturday February 04, 2017 @04:04PM (#13569055)
Is there a newer interview with Zuckerberg where he expresses his views at length? Given how big Facebook is now as a company, it's possible that that "policy" was supplanted by a later more reasonable policy. What is their current view, have they explained it in any detail?
Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @04:31PM (#13569188)
I'd suggest a better question to ask would be: could you ever trust Zuckerberg to honestly tell you what his real policies will be -- as opposed to what he might say they are, in statements to the public -- when the government comes by to twist his arm?
Re:Facebook is terrifying by conistonwater on Saturday February 04, 2017 @04:38PM (#13569232)
Given the sheer number of people involved in Facebook's decision-making, I would believe it if they told me there was an internal consensus that differed from Zuckerberg's earlier college-age views. So I want to know if there is such a consensus, because if there is, then to my mind it would override that chat snapshot.

Also, yes, you can generally trust people to tell you what their real policies are. They might not be good policies, or well thought-through, etc., but there are very few people in the world who make it their business to lie and cheat every day.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:19PM (#13569446)
But there are very few people in the world who make it their business to lie and cheat every day.

Actually there are quite a lot of them.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by raarts on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:58PM (#13569593)
Well said. Just look at conservative estimates of the number of psychopaths and sociopaths (2%) still gives you 140 million people that lie and cheat because they have no conscience and want to manipulate people.

Add some plain greed on top of that, and you'll end up with a lot of people. Grandparent is very naive.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:03PM (#13569620)
Indeed, there's a whole host of reasons why sociopathic / psychopathic traits (such as the ability to lie credibly and manipulate others generally) enable people to ascend to positions of leadership in businesses (and hence, are represented in these ranks in higher numbers). See e.g.:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-dist...

Re:Facebook is terrifying by conistonwater on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:40PM (#13569527)
Strongly disagree, though I'm not completely certain: people use all their powers of rational thinking to convince themselves (if nobody else) that what they're doing is quite alright. So if you spot somebody lying, chances are it will show up in their reasoning if you question them about it at length—and they'll tell you about it, directly, because they've convinced themselves they're right. I think that's one way to explain why you should believe things people say about their own beliefs in interviews (while being skeptical about whether it's actually right).
Re:Facebook is terrifying by EdSharkey on Saturday February 04, 2017 @04:45PM (#13569273)
People don't change. Facebook sprang from a bad seed.

In a just world filled with righteous people, that chat log would have doomed Facebook to oblivion long ago.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by Karunamon on Saturday February 04, 2017 @08:16PM (#13570175)
>People don't change

This is laughably, shockingly, categorically wrong. People can and do change, all the time. Your opinions, values, etc didn't change from when you were in college?

Re:Facebook is terrifying by EdSharkey on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:34PM (#13594900)
Sure, my opinions, values, etc have evolved along a continuum since my college days, yes. I've learned a ton, and make fewer unforced, stupid errors. I've had some damaging tragedies since that time that made me more wary and empathetic to others facing similar difficulties. I am more complex and nuanced.

But, my character, my moods, my tells, and the fundamental flow of my thought processes have never changed. I'm the same lumpish animal I was when I was a tot. When someone says "People don't change", I think the core of that sentiment is that the brain wiring that makes random person X who they are never changes (save the brain becoming damaged or fading, of course.) I'm talking about the essence of a mind.

So I contend that a creep like Zuck doesn't uncreep himself. A sociopath is wired that way, even if they're proficient at hiding that fact. You might say, "Zuck's been exposed to and riding atop a business operating at a mind-blowing scale and pace - that HAS to change a person!" I think that's just projecting what one thinks would happen to themselves in such a situation. What change can you actually point to in Zuck?

Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Sunday February 05, 2017 @03:12PM (#13574325)
Yes, people change. Even Zuck seems to have changed a bit, in recent years.

But to get back to the subject of the original subthread: not enough for us to trust him running our national ID structure, thank you very much.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by type0 on Saturday February 04, 2017 @04:43PM (#13569259)
Well, the recent "policy" I heard had something to do with "racial affiliations" to target the ads, if racial profiling was allowed they would do just that.
Re:Facebook is terrifying by mysterypie on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:05PM (#13569372)
> Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

What's SNS?

Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:17PM (#13569436)
A typo (in all likelihood) for either SSNs or "Social Numbers".
Re:Facebook is terrifying by dceddia on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:48PM (#13569553)
Could also be SMS (phone #)
Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @07:01PM (#13569883)
Very unlikely.
Re:Facebook is terrifying by jwilk on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:04PM (#13569622)
Why would Facebook collect SSNs?
Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:15PM (#13569682)
Like he said -- "People just submitted it".
Re:Facebook is terrifying by freehunter on Saturday February 04, 2017 @07:38PM (#13570043)
But... why? When? How? I joined Facebook in 2006 when it opened to the public and it never asked for my social security number. Did they used to ask that prior to 2006? I mean, "people just submitted it" only works if it was asked for. Unless we're presuming people posted their SSNs on their wall for their friends to see.

I really doubt that's the case.

Re:Facebook is terrifying by p49k on Sunday February 05, 2017 @11:19AM (#13573013)
This isn't about Facebook though, it's about some prototype he created earlier. I'd say he probably had SSNs because lots of universities used SSNs as student IDs before it became universally clear why that was a terrible idea, and he probably required your student ID number to use the service.
Re:Facebook is terrifying by kafkaesq on Sunday February 05, 2017 @03:21PM (#13574381)
Yes, it was from an earlier prototype of FB. But the bigger point is that it was Zuck who was saying that. And it tells you everything you need to his real attitude toward your privacy -- no matter what his "policies" say.

As well as attitude towards his users as human beings generally.