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Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by chx on Friday February 03, 2017 @04:56PM (#13563681)
Reminder: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/01/29/amazon_q4_pro...

> That's because Amazon, as best I can tell, is a charitable organization being run by elements of the investment community for the benefit of consumers. The shareholders put up the equity, and instead of owning a claim on a steady stream of fat profits, they get a claim on a mighty engine of consumer surplus. Amazon sells things to people at prices that seem impossible because it actually is impossible to make money that way. And the competitive pressure of needing to square off against Amazon cuts profit margins at other companies, thus benefiting people who don't even buy anything from Amazon.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Fezzik on Friday February 03, 2017 @05:19PM (#13563838)
I wonder what percentage of goods that Amazon sells are still being sold at low-margin prices though. Most things I see on Amazon these days are more expensive than at my local store. Two examples from yesterday: Rani Hot Curry Powder (Amazon: $14.99, my local grocer: $8.69) and Speedo Silicone Swim Earplugs ($5.99 on Amazon, $2.99 at Fred Meyer).

Just about everything I purchase these days is cheaper at a local store. Ritter Sport chocolate bars are cheaper, bike tubes and tires, pots and pans... I can't think of a single thing that I have price-checked recently that has been even slightly cheaper on Amazon.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by gozur88 on Friday February 03, 2017 @07:24PM (#13564654)
This. You can almost always find things cheaper than at Amazon. What you're paying for is convenience and reliability.

They're not putting anyone out of business through predatory pricing.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Spooky23 on Friday February 03, 2017 @08:32PM (#13565043)
But yet, they are still taping dollar bills to many boxes.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by gozur88 on Saturday February 04, 2017 @12:48AM (#13565834)
Not really, no. They're expanding.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by bduerst on Friday February 03, 2017 @05:32PM (#13563937)
Same here. I've been using Amazon Prime less and less, because once you notice they hide the "Free" shipping costs into the price of the item, it's difficult to justify larger orders with them.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Spooky23 on Friday February 03, 2017 @08:37PM (#13565057)
Beyond that, there's all sorts of hidden bullshit around prime now. If your local DC isn't stocked, you're waiting days or the order cut off is way earlier.

They are incredibly competent though. I ordered an iPad from Target, and it was like ordering from LL Bean in 1987. I think FedEx Ground dispatched it by horse, it took 11 days to travel from St Louis to NYS.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by bduerst on Saturday February 04, 2017 @12:08AM (#13565730)
Yes! I was going to buy LifeX bulbs on Prime, but noticed it was going to take 2+ weeks to ship. I checked the LifeX website and the same bulbs were 25% cheaper and shipped immediately.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by sbierwagen on Friday February 03, 2017 @08:47PM (#13565119)
Did you order it in December? And choose free shipping?
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Spooky23 on Friday February 03, 2017 @08:56PM (#13565166)
Right after New Years and yes. It shipped within hours from the warehouse.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by sbierwagen on Friday February 03, 2017 @09:06PM (#13565209)
Late deliveries go way, way up during the holiday season. Anybody who ships anything by fedex/UPS ground would see something like this.

Source: I work for an online retailer.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Spooky23 on Saturday February 04, 2017 @02:28PM (#13568544)
Interesting.

In my particular case it was FedEx/Smartpost. In my area, the USPS leg has been very reliable, 100% next day delivery from drop off at their Springfield, MA center to my door in Albany NY.

The FedEx Ground leg took forever, my little box made like 4 stops in Ohio and PA before hitting the post office in MA.

UPS typically does that in 2-3 days, USPS typically 3.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by manmal on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:01AM (#13566158)
Strange. In Austria, things shipped within 24h of ordering, mostly. UPS/DHL within 48h, but mostly less. They ramp up capacity a lot during holiday season.

They even delivered on sundays this year, which is pretty much unheard of in Austria.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by kevin_thibedeau on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:25PM (#13564266)
Are these products being sold by Amazon itself, or just fulfilled by them with partners setting higher prices than retail?
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by Fezzik on Friday February 03, 2017 @07:33PM (#13564712)
A bit of both. I just checked, and in my specific examples the curry was sold by another retailer and fulfilled by Amazon and the Ear Plugs were sold by Amazon. Both with similar markups when compared to brick and mortor retail.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by TakerofVita on Friday February 03, 2017 @07:10PM (#13564585)
Both sold by Amazon, and third party.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by caminante on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:44PM (#13564401)
This is from 2013.

The author has revised his thesis (Q4 2015) [0], though he remains bearish on AMZN longterm.

[0] http://www.vox.com/2015/12/9/9873174/amazon-never-profitable

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by aptwebapps on Friday February 03, 2017 @10:53PM (#13565556)
If by revised you mean changed, then I don't think he has. GP's quote was a joke (see below) about Amazon's behavior and intentions rather than a condemnation. I'm going to go ahead a pull a few quotes out of your link that I think are illustrative:

Amazon has not, historically, been a profitable company because Amazon's leaders don't want it to be a profitable company. In the future it will continue to not be profitable for the exact same reason. In the past, Amazon has managed to turn a profit when it's forced to by skepticism from Wall Street, which suggests that non-profitability is a choice.

Indeed, it's a choice that CEO Jeff Bezos has explained to the public in response to a joke I once made about the company's unprofitability:

and

Fundamentally, Amazon will only start booking large consistent profits when the company's leaders run out of new ideas to invest in. Right now they are not out of ideas, as you can easily tell from the wide range of businesses they are halfway into.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by caminante on Friday February 03, 2017 @11:44PM (#13565680)
Since 2/1/13 (Slate), AMZN's up 205%. 205% in 4 years to almost this day!!!!!

His thesis that AMZN's an investor funded charity has been blown up via the gains accrued by investors. Despite being wrong, I admire his analysis as insightful and true to value investing principles.

In the '15 article, he changed his thesis to account for AWS' unexpected rise and earnings contributions and said his thesis fails if AMZN doesn't run out of profitable investment ops. I submit that's the key change. Despite being overall bearish, that's walking it back quite a bit.

FWIW, since 12/9/15 (Vox), AMZN's up 26%.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by aptwebapps on Saturday February 04, 2017 @03:59AM (#13566309)
I was going by memory and your '15 link, so I could well be mistaken. I remembered the general tenor as "What's up with this?" rather than "It will never work."
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by gowld on Friday February 03, 2017 @05:18PM (#13563832)
Yglesias is a political pundit, not so much an economic expert. He doesn't understand reinvesting profits to grow a business.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by superbatfish on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:23PM (#13564256)
You are mistaken. For example:

- He wrote Slate's economics column, "MoneyBox," for a number of years.

- He wrote a book about the economics of the housing market.

- He co-founded Vox.com, which -- presumably -- reinvests its profits to grow the business.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by johncolanduoni on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:40PM (#13564374)
I don't personally know much about him, but your first two points do nothing to make him look less like a political pundit.
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by caminante on Friday February 03, 2017 @07:37PM (#13564730)
I submit the points address questions over his economic analysis credibility.

I'll add that his writing was good enough to trigger a response from Bezos in a letter to shareholders.

Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by nsp on Friday February 03, 2017 @08:02PM (#13564882)
The book, as someone who is generally a fan of Yglesias, is around 35 pages long and is very light on actual economics and heavy on rhetoric
Re:Amazon's Antitrust Paradox by aptwebapps on Friday February 03, 2017 @10:46PM (#13565537)
Yglesias has more than a passing grasp of economics, and I guarantee that he understands reinvesting profits to grow a business. It's not that hard a concept to grasp. GP's quote was deliberate hyperbole, IIRC, and was not meant completely literally.