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Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by Jraf on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:42PM (#13552549)
In France we count all ballots by hand.

As every ballot station count only his ballots, it's quick.

For a presidential election, maybe 30 minutes.

The counting is done by the citizens, so no (easy) frauds are possible.

All ballots are visible, the process is transparent, no suspicion.

I personally think that a 30min delay to get the election results is worth the wait.

Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by emptyfile on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:54PM (#13553333)
Same in my country, never thought of this as being outdated, just the simplest most cost effective solution for a system that has to be totally secure.
Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by contravariant on Thursday February 02, 2017 @08:25PM (#13556849)
This is literally how the Dutch election system has worked for years, ever since they stopped with the voting machines (which were admittedly a mistake).

The recent change has to do with how the votes were tallied. Basically the way they were transmitted wasn't really tamper-proof, and there wasn't a system in place to determine the difference between the result of the ballot station and the publicly announced result.

Of course they've 'solved' this by replacing the electronic tallying system. Which I can't help but feel is a very misguided way of fixing those problems.

Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by Someone on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:57PM (#13553357)
This isn't about that step, as that is done by hand in the Netherlands, too.

It is about what happens after that. The electronic steps after that are deemed not secure enough.

Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by kordless on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:59PM (#13553380)
How are the results transmitted and tabulated by hand?
Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by mantas on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:55PM (#13553959)
Not the OP, but my country runs a similar system. Each election station counts the ballots by hand. Anyone can signup for counting and/or watch the counting. It's mostly reps from all participating parties. Sometimes few independent citizens show up as well. After all people in the station agree on their total count (they can recount if needed), they phone in their numbers to the central station.

Raw numbers of each station are available publicly. The people who did the counting can check if their numbers were transmitted correctly. Parties usually have preliminary results from their people at stations way before the centralised system processes & publicises them. They'd easily spot any issues. Paper ballots are stored in secured bags and can be recounted if there is a need.

Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by DrScump on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:03AM (#13557816)
Is there no point (e.g. during transit) when ballots are out of sight and could be intercepted/replaced?
Re:Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand by jakeogh on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:26PM (#13554807)
Watching the BREXIT vote counting process was similarly heartening.