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Re:The woes of Windows 10 by frik on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:21PM (#13552289)
No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color blind designers with a bad taste the brutalism of UI design plus the phone-home spyware features that cannot be deactivated. Windows 7 is too good and the perfect OS, if you don't install some recent spyware updates it will last at least until 2020 - and who knows if Android/Fuchsia or whatever OS is a proper alternative than.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Arizhel on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:29PM (#13552383)
Look, I don't like the flat-UI trend any more than you, but there's two simple facts here:

1) It's not just MS pushing the flat-UI trend. Apple and Google are too, along with every other Web/UI designer out there. Everyone's doing it. MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks.

2) The users you seem concerned about like this stuff. They're all buying and using Windows, along with Macs, iOS, Android, etc. devices. There's simply no serious effort being put into any UI alternatives. There's some stuff going on in Linux-land that has a minuscule marketshare, but that's about it; even there, the most popular desktop is Gnome3, which is on the same bandwagon in many ways.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by bhauer on Thursday February 02, 2017 @05:35PM (#13555554)
> MS's version does seem to be the ugliest though, mainly because of the horrible color picks.

For whatever it's worth, Windows 10 is one of my favorite looking user interfaces, especially with its dark theme. I am not sure why so many mainstream operating systems do not offer viable dark themes.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by corin_ on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:53PM (#13552685)
Your second point doesn't really hold up - I'm a Windows 10 user, and I don't spend any time even considering Linux UI alternatives because you could show me one that I liked twice as much as Windows and I still wouldn't want to use Linux for my day to day stuff.

I actually don't mind the Windows 10 UI as it happens, but if there were the variety of options for Windows that there are for Linux, I'd certainly see if I could find one I liked more.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by eikenberry on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:53PM (#13555087)
She wasn't implying you should switch to Linux to get the UI alternatives available there. She was saying that there is nobody working on UI alternatives/innovations except for a few people in the Linux space. That everyone had settled on the same basic UI.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by corin_ on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:08PM (#13556346)
She was saying that the alternative UIs aren't popular, and my point is that their low market share is down not only to the UIs themselves but also because of the software they are compatible with.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by chris_wot on Friday February 03, 2017 @09:44AM (#13560081)
Virtually all software that runs on Windows can be run on Linux via WINE. Often better.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Arizhel on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:05PM (#13553436)
If people actually cared about it that much, at the very least there'd be some 3rd-party program available for Windows that would improve the UI, and it'd be selling like hotcakes. I've never heard of any.

Same goes for MacOS, iOS, and Android.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by rocqua on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:29PM (#13554338)
I think the windows 10 platform doesn't lend itself very well to 3rd party UIs. It's quite closely coupled to the actual OS.

In a sense though, this is what I consider to be the strength of the windows UI. With the tight coupling, you can make guarantees on the UI covering all possible configuration options. At the same time, it allows a fixed standard of how to implement configuration. (Some of this comes from windows being monolithic)

The end result is a 'unified' UI where there are user-friendly ways to configure a system. Most notably, it is a lot easier to 'explore' the configuration options of windows as opposed to any linux distro.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by badsectoracula on Thursday February 02, 2017 @06:23PM (#13555994)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Arizhel on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:12PM (#13561331)
This is the first I've heard of it. Just like I said before, if the Windows UI were really that hated and unpopular, this thing would be common knowledge and selling like hotcakes. It isn't. Maybe the word just hasn't gotten out enough, but I doubt it.

I do have to say, $9.99 is a pretty good price for this. But this again reinforces my point: if people really hated the Win10 UI that much, a $10 purchase should be nothing to fix it.

Also, I only looked over the link cursorily, but does this fix the whole Metro interface? That's my big complaint with Win10; when you're on the regular desktop, it isn't much different from Win7. It's when you want to load a new program, or use the Settings, or stuff like that you suddenly find yourself in the purple hell that is the Metro UI. If this Windowblinds program is only letting you skin the desktop stuff and not changing the whole start menu, then it's not really fixing the problem, just making the crappy, clunky Win7 desktop more pleasant to use.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by badsectoracula on Sunday February 05, 2017 @05:19PM (#13575012)
WindowBlinds is a very old program - consider it started on OS/2. It used to be very popular back in 90s and 2000s, but its popularity have dropped the last few years. Still, if you find any alternative Windows theme on places like DeviantArt chances are it is made for WindowBlinds. It isn't wildly popular, but it isn't unknown either.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Arizhel on Monday February 06, 2017 @03:12PM (#13583386)
It sounds like it really doesn't affect the whole Metro UI part of Win10, which is the part I have the biggest complaints about UI-wise.

I don't like the Windows desktop that much (I like the start menu and such, I don't like the look and feel and other things, which is why I'm a KDE fan). But I can deal with it fine; it's the Metro stuff that's really horrible to me.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by happypants23 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:44PM (#13552584)
I rather like the clean aesthetic of Windows 10, and am now using it as my main OS. Sure, it's by no means perfect, and there is still work to be done. But by and large I am happier with Windows 10 than with MacOS, Ubuntu, GNOME, and so on.

Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined. Me - I would gladly give Microsoft my data to they can prioritize features for windows 10.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by gerbilly on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:44PM (#13553207)
>Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway.

I think we shouldn't take the defeatist position with respect to surveillance. I know that techies like us can block this kind of traffic at the network edge or chase down the multiple settings it takes to turn this off, but not all users will be this sophisticated.

We should be pushing back against surveillance in how we use our own computers.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by shmed on Thursday February 02, 2017 @05:26PM (#13555448)
There's a big distinction between "surveillance" and anonymous "crash logs/telemetry".
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by stan_rogers on Thursday February 02, 2017 @06:07PM (#13555851)
No, there isn't.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by jasonkostempski on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:02PM (#13552797)
"At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined."

Where is that option? Also, it's easy to get a browser that doesn't phone home and a plugin that stops websites from doing it.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by RileyKyeden on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:34PM (#13553122)
Feedback privacy, found with the search in the settings thing.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by lineindc on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:12PM (#13553516)
The Group Policy Editor lets you disable telemetry.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Karunamon on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:44PM (#13554481)
..if you're on an Enterprise SKU. Maybe.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by astrobe_ on Thursday February 02, 2017 @06:11PM (#13555875)
> User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined. Me - I would gladly give Microsoft my data to they can prioritize features for windows 10.

User analytics and tracking everywhere (including IRL with for instance face recog in shops), Facebook curious to know if they can manipulate the mood of their users, Google/Microsoft/Amazon investing in "big AI", Money doesn't grow on trees, Do the maths.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by drinkjuice on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:12AM (#13558299)
> Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay

You calling things "tropes" or "user analytics" doesn't change anything, and having to use euphemisms tells me deep down inside you know this, too.

Also, no.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by edoceo on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:32PM (#13553100)
They've already demonstrated they won't use this to build features you want.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Godel_unicode on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:03PM (#13553422)
That is literally not true, at least in my case. The new precision touchpad gestures are exactly what I asked for. Also, they're fantastic!
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by becarefulyo on Thursday February 02, 2017 @01:53PM (#13553308)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by computerex on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:56PM (#13557550)
Not sure if serious or trolling.