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Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by heydonovan on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:57AM (#13530517)
I'd love to ditch OSX, but I can't work on Windows. Last time I used Windows was with Windows XP, but now that bash has been ported over, does that mean I should be able to do all the things I can do on my Macbook? SSH to remote machines, install rvm/mongo/postgres, update all my packages with something similar to brew, etc.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by padraic7a on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:20AM (#13531232)
Why not move to Linux instead?

You'll get ssh and a package manager from the get-go. The Dell XPS 13 can be bought with Ubuntu preinstalled so you don't have to do to the trouble of setting things up yourself.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by ackfoo on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:46AM (#13531498)
Why not? Mainly because it isn't finished and has a culture of not explaining anything.

When man pages start with a few practical real-world examples, I'll think about it.

When some of the more experienced Linux devs figure out a way of purging the stub code created by noobs writing "my first Linux app haw haw" and sending these vile critters on a one-way trip to space, I'll think about it.

Linux needs a benevolent dictator, like Steve Jobs, to tell people, "no, your code is shit, your idea is shit, fuck off" instead of a community that indulges every contribution no matter how lame, stupid, confusing and non-functional it is.

When I can be sure that my package manager won't break "ls" (and every other basic command) while doing a routine installation of a user level application (glibc is now toast; reinstall), I'll think about it.

Linux will stop being garbage when there aren't 17 different places to put everything and every dev assumes that every user knows all of them and is in possession of an encyclopedic knowledge of arcana going back to ENIAC.

Explain everything every time!

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by AsyncAwait on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:10AM (#13531730)
This is so much generic FUD, any specifics of the "garbage" you're talking about. It honestly sounds like the generic FUD that was repeated about Linux a decade ago and you either haven't tried it recently or you haven't learned how to use it.*

* There was a post recently on HN, where someone was trying to use Homebrew on Linux, rather than the native package manager.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by dkonofalski on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @12:08PM (#13532591)
I've seen you post 10 times in this thread alone with just "Oh, you can't be serious. What BS!" or something along those lines to anyone who has criticized Linux or has said that they just haven't had luck getting it to work. If you can legitimately see the problems with Linux to the average user, then maybe you need to take a few steps back and actually watch someone use it.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by AsyncAwait on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @12:40PM (#13532985)
I have asked for specifics, none were given. This generic "Linux sucks!" attitude is not helpful and I don't have a different term for it than FUD. If you want to criticise something, share specifics.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by rhodysurf on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:23AM (#13531917)
Linux needs a benevolent dictator, like Steve Jobs, to tell people, "no, your code is shit, your idea is shit, fuck off" instead of a community that indulges every contribution no matter how lame, stupid, confusing and non-functional it is.

Someone like Linus maybe?

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by dcdevito on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:55AM (#13531592)
^ this!

I agree wholeheartedly. I was hoping Canonical was going to be this but sadly they have been rather weak.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by dingdingdang on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @11:05AM (#13541756)
Canonical seems to embody a company culture which is just about non-directional enough to start mirroring the overall Linux ecosystem culture, so yeah, rather weak.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by planteen on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @07:29AM (#13540167)
Please report to us the steps of a "routine instalation of a user level application" breaking glibc on any modern Linux distro so it can be fixed. Otherwise I'm calling FUD.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by joekrill on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:02AM (#13530557)
I'd argue that Windows has actually gotten worse. The Bash on Windows thing is nice -- but Windows 10 has become such a huge pain. And obviously this is anecdotal. But I just have so many random problems with it. Things crashing, reboots whenever it wants to, constant slow downs for no apparent reason. I finally just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I've been much happier.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by john_reel on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:07AM (#13530606)
I’ve had the opposite experience on my Surface Pro 4 and desktop. Everything is much more stable than on Windows 7, where I would often find myself needing to do manual maintenance after something like a power outage. On Windows 10, I haven’t had any huge problems. My Surface Pro 4 (and many others) were disasters on the first versions of Windows 10, but now it is stable.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by joekrill on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:36AM (#13530845)
Things have definitely gotten _better_ for me (I still run Windows 10 on my Desktop). But I had to basically reinstall everything at one point.

One tiny thing that drives me absolutely nuts: it used to be when the lock screen was showing, I could immediately start typing my password to login. Now there's this second or two delay, so the first few characters of my password don't get entered and I almost always "mistype" my password the first time I login. I don't know why, but this really bothers me.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by freehunter on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:50AM (#13530962)
I thought I was the only one! Everyone I ever complained to has said they didn't have that problem. That alone is enough to make me quit using your software.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by jedikv on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @05:35AM (#13539685)
Weirdly I've had one noteable crash (that wasn't me messing with hardware) on windows since probably 7. However on my rMBP I get semi-regular blackscreen/beachball lockups & reboots - granted it's anecdotal, but my OSX experience has generally been worse than my windows one. Terminal, Trackpad, Keyboard (pre-butterfly), paw & sketch are the only positives I get from my MBP.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by simooooo on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:34AM (#13532074)
My win 10 machine bluescreens several times a week with different errors.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by deskamess on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @11:01AM (#13531647)
I use PowerShell with a command line app called chocolatey[1] as my package manager. With that, you can install the apps you need (Chrome, Firefox, for ssh use putty{ssh} or win32-openssh[2] from Microsoft, cmder for a console, curl, vim, git, etc).

[1] https://chocolatey.org/ [2] https://chocolatey.org/packages/openssh

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by hendersoon on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @12:16PM (#13542614)
Chocolatey package management is essentially built-in to Windows 10. It unfortunately hasn't gained much traction.

http://www.howtogeek.com/224111/how-to-use-packagemanagement...

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by yeasayer on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:11AM (#13531145)
Unfortunately, you can't. For example, it's impossible to properly install PostgreSQL. Also, no 256 colors support. Currently, there are 733 open issues https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows/issues It's still a beta feature. Nowhere near the smooth macOS experience.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by davidandgoliath on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @12:08AM (#13538427)
Honestly, with the exception of a few commands (ping & such), it's more than sufficient for 'most' stuff.

The only glaring issue is if you mount your windows drive in any form, permissions are fudged. Otherwise, perfectly capable. I'm certain there are bugs, but I use it heavily as a daily driver (admittedly, just managing remote systems) and it's mostly flaw free.

* Recently swapped from MacOS after ~5 years in their ecosystem

* ~15 year linux user prior to that.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by bostand on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:01AM (#13530551)
1. Yes it's basically Ubuntu 14.04 minus the gui

2. How can you say you can't use Windows if you haven't used one since xp??

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by benjaminl on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:10AM (#13530623)
Since it is basically Ubuntu 14.04, if you install an Windows X Server, you can have a GUI also.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by Longhanks on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:26AM (#13530749)
Though this is not supported (nor intended for the future), hacked into the system, very slow and full of bugs.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by bostand on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:31AM (#13530797)
What are you talking about?

Exactly what is the "hack" here?

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by kminehart on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:40AM (#13530875)
You're running Windows running an X server running your Linux WM to run your linux apps.

It's not a hack per se, but there's definitely more to the equation, and thus a lot more room for error.

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by sigjuice on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:59AM (#13531022)
Can you be more specific on what errors? I'm sure there are several good X servers that available for Windows. The arrangement of running X clients that talk to a remote X server is pretty standard.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by dcdevito on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:47AM (#13531509)
I use VcXsrv and it works fine. I edited my bashrc file so now when I open bash I can run any Linux GUI app I want. Piece of cake, runs great and stable, no issues.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by bostand on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:54AM (#13531568)
app -> x server -> display -> your eyes

How is this different from native Linux?

Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by dcdevito on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:18AM (#13530687)
so...you don't like windows, and the last time you used it was XP? LOL, okay.
Re:XPS9350-macOS – macOS patches for Dell XPS 13 9350 by freehunter on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:52AM (#13530971)
To be fair, Windows XP was so awful that if I stopped using it then, I'd be hard pressed to believe it's gotten much better.