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Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by sitkack on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:46PM (#13527097)
All that acceleration is enabled by it violating the environmental laws of every western country.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by CydeWeys on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:17PM (#13527245)
Yeah, exactly. Our right to breathe clean air supersedes people's desires to drive around sporty diesels. This defense falls far short to me.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by matt4077 on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:50PM (#13527737)
You won't get a VW that still uses the software this is about any more from a rental agency. Firstly, they were recalled. Secondly, rental agencies in Germany (and most countries at similar levels of development as far as I can tell) have about a 12-month turnover in their fleet.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by MichaelMoser123 on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:44PM (#13527390)
VW is not alone, Fiat Chrysler did the same thing.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/12/news/companies/epa-emissions...

the tricky question: did anybody figure out how to do a clean enough diesel engine without cheating?

i think its funny that European countries were pushing Diesel engines just because they emit less CO2, disregarding the NOx problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/05/vw-diesel-c...

Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by MagnumOpus on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @03:57AM (#13528892)
> the tricky question: did anybody figure out how to do a clean enough diesel engine without cheating

Yes. It is just more expensive in terms of maintenance because the urea-based cleaning liquid ("AdBlue") needs to be refilled by the dealer a lot more often if the exhaust scrubbing doesn't cheat and disable it half the time.

If you are interested in the details of the topic, I can recommend this CCC conference talk from last month:

https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7904-software_defined_emissions

Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by MichaelMoser123 on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:11AM (#13530199)
wow, thanks. That's really interesting. quite amazing.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by NamTaf on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:30PM (#13527628)
I wouldn't know if that performance comes precisely because they violate those laws or not, so I'll take your word for it. Per my sibling comment, I wasn't dismissing those valid criticisms for their flouting of the laws. I was merely trying to point out that through whatever means they've produced what appeared to me to be reasonably compelling cars and so it wouldn't surprise me to see them getting significant sales volumes as a result.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by wyager on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:48PM (#13527111)
> violating the environmental laws of every western country.

European nations aren't "western"?

Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by RhodesianHunter on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:54PM (#13527140)
They violated European laws too, that's why they're recalling them over the next two years.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by mehwoot on Monday January 30, 2017 @10:49PM (#13527405)
European nations aren't "western"?

Actually European nations is what it originally meant. Western European.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

The term originally had a literal geographic meaning. It contrasted Europe with the cultures and civilizations of the Middle East and North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia, Southeast Asia, and the remote Far East which early-modern Europeans saw as the East. In the contemporary cultural meaning, the phrase Western world includes Europe, as well as many countries of European colonial origin with substantial European ancestral populations in the Americas and Oceania.

Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by wyager on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @01:11AM (#13528160)
Yes, I didn't realize Volkswagen violated European laws as well. So when he said "Every western nation", I was confused.
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by DiabloD3 on Monday January 30, 2017 @09:54PM (#13527141)
I think he was saying, essentially, "not only European nations, but America as well"
Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by pixelbill on Monday January 30, 2017 @11:12PM (#13527516)
These terms were coined before the Americas were discovered by Europeans.

Europe was the West, then you have the Middle East, then the Far East (China, Japan). That was the whole world to them pretty much. When the Americas were discovered they were known as the New World, and eventually became known as the West as well (Due to the fact that most of our culture comes from Europe, eg. Western Culture).

Re:Volkswagen overtakes Toyota as the world's biggest carmaker by Symbiote on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @03:33AM (#13528773)
Also the Near East, which was roughly the Ottoman Empire -- countries around the Mediterranean, Black and Red Seas. ("Mediterranean": middle of land.)

I suspect Rome (or some other city in Italy) is the centre of these terms, but I haven't looked for evidence of that.