Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order

Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by otalp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @10:51AM (#13506814)

Considering how immigration has in large part made the tech industry what it is today, and considering the CEOs of both Google and Microsoft are immigrants- not from the countries Trump banned today but nevertheless a country with hundreds of millions of Muslims - this is certainly in YCs ballpark.

Not only is this order terrible, but this sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Also note that christians from these countries are allowed to apply for refugee status; it's essentially a Muslim ban, a religious ban.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by otalp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:27AM (#13507150)

An Oscar Nominated director cannot attend the ceremony[1]. Ironically he's been persecuted by his own government, but he's unfortunately not a Christian so Trump doesn't care. People with green cards aren't being allowed to board US flights[2].

Also look at the countries he's selected- Iran, which is not host to ISIS or Al-Qaeda, and who have not had any of it's citizens ever carry out an attack in the US. The main crime of Iran seems to be that it's not a US ally. If this is allowed to become a precedent, if say the Indian government does something to upset the US, what's to stop Trump from banning visas from them too?

[1]-http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/d...

[2]-http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by nolepointer on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:09AM (#13506979)

Because Christians are actually persecuted.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by bmm01 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:12AM (#13507011)

Many are persecuted for other reasons too.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by 551199 on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:17AM (#13507063)

Yeah it's almost like people don't even do any diligence but emotionally attack Trump in every turn. Do research how christians are persecuted or whats happening to gays and women in Muslim countries.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by otalp on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:35AM (#13507212)

>whats happening to gays and women in Muslim countries.

Does he allow gay men or muslim women to enter then? I would applaud such an initiative. Why doesn't he do that? Muslim women far outnumber christians in these countries, if you cared so much about them you'd be against this ban.

If you care about persecuted people, what about persecuted muslims? Asghar Farhadi, the director of A Separation, cannot attend the Oscars because of the bizarre ban on Iranians. He has a long history of being persecuted by his government. That is not even talking about the millions of muslim doctors, engineers, actually skilled people being bombed out of their homes by all kinds of forces.

And it's not like the US gleefully accepts all refugees from Syria. They go though an extensive process that takes years. The ones that get through - are far less likely to commit any kind of crime than the average American citizen.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by mhneu on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:26AM (#13507140)

We're talking about America persecuting people, not other countries. Don't be trying to divert the conversation.

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Re:Ask HN: YC please talk about Immigration Order by varjag on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:34AM (#13507208)

I like how Trump supporters in synch stated to care about LGBT and women rights in Muslim countries. Probably some popular thread on a Klan forum.

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