News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:16PM (#13496292)
> most non-solicits are not enforceable in California

To clarify:

"Provisions preventing former employees from competing with their former employers by soliciting their customers (absent use of trade secrets) are...void... The law regarding agreements prohibiting an employee from soliciting employees from former employers, however, is far less clear at this point.

...

Provisions that outright bar the hiring of employees are likely to be found unenforceable in many circumstances and should generally be avoided. Where such provisions are used, they should be narrowly tailored, apply only to employees with whom the restrained individual works or becomes aware of during their employment, and/or make any hiring contingent on the payment of fixed sum liquidated damages.

Separately, non-solicitation agreements between employer and employee, like the one at issue in Loral, are likely permissible with the caveat that they should be limited in term and scope. The term of such provisions is typically limited to one or two years, and large employers should consider limiting the scope to employees that the individual worked with and/or became aware of during the individual’s employment."

Regarding Loral:

"The court noted that unlike a no-hire provision, the non-solicitation agreement 'only slightly affects’’ Loral employees, because they were not prevented from seeking employment by contacting [the defendant] – they were only affected insomuch as [the defendant] could not contact them."

TL;DR It sounds like Tesla's ex-employee broke his non-solicit by soliciting employees he worked with at Tesla.

http://www.jonesday.com/files/Publication/49d21da6-33cb-45ff...

Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by dsp1234 on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:24PM (#13496355)
TL;DR It sounds like Tesla's ex-employee broke his non-solicit by soliciting employees he worked with at Tesla.

The complaint is clear. This is about more than non-solicitation, and Anderson was not an ex-employee at the time.

From the complaint:

"Anderson worked to recruit Tesla's engineers, eventually making offers to at least a dozen people — all in direct violation of his contractual non-solicitation obligations and the duty of loyalty that he owed to Tesla as an employee."

This is about breach of duty of loyalty, and interference with contracts.

edit: phrasing

Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by the_watcher on Thursday January 26, 2017 @07:42PM (#13496796)
Wait, is there a legal concept of "duty of loyalty" outside of fiduciary relationships? That's the first I've heard the term in that context. Or did Anderson have a fiduciary relationship with Tesla?
Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by djrogers on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:14PM (#13496931)
Yes there is. In California it's governed by the Labor Code:

Section 2863 states, “An employee who has any business to transact on his own account, similar to that entrusted to him by his employer, shall always give the preference to the business of the employer.”

There are other aspects to it as well, but that's the nut.

Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by the_watcher on Friday January 27, 2017 @02:28PM (#13501936)
Ah, thanks. And yea, the TC piece didn't make it clear to me that the crux of the issue was Anderson's current employment while poaching.
Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by the_watcher on Thursday January 26, 2017 @07:41PM (#13496791)
Got it, that's helpful. So basically, you can't prevent a former employee from hiring your employees, but you can limit the extent to which the former employee can proactively recruit your employees, so long as the terms of the agreement are limited and well defined?
Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by AstralStorm on Friday January 27, 2017 @03:34AM (#13498492)
You cannot prevent a former anyone except in many states of US via non-compete agreements. (not in california)

Non-soliciting agreement is a separate matter untested in court.

However, he was an employee at the time of soliciting, making it a very different matter. Directly prohibited by california work code.

Re:Tesla sues ex-Autopilot director for taking proprietary i... by marme on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:53PM (#13497112)
so if someone leaves and starts their own company you can prevent them from actively recruiting former coworkers but you cant prevent them from hiring former coworkers who went to join them on their own without any active solicitation from the former employee, basically if the current employee contacts the former employee first then it is ok but contract forbidding the former employee from contacting current employees to recruit them is allowed. Also contract forbidding the active recruitment of current employees that the former employee never met are not enforceable so you cant forbid recruiting employees who joined after you left the company