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Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by hota_mazi on Thursday January 26, 2017 @03:59PM (#13495204)
> Compare this to languages like Python where there will need to be a major 2020 conversion to 3.x because many developers are dragging their feet.

That's not a very fair comparison. Python is 25 years old and this migration is being requested after 20 years in existence. There is no way a successful language can perform this kind of migration at that age without pain. Swift will be no exception if it's still around and popular in 20 years.

Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by melling on Thursday January 26, 2017 @04:26PM (#13495375)
Yes, I understand that the conversion is in some ways more difficult because there's a larger legacy code base. However, the conversion has already been extended 5 years:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7581434

A decade long conversion is fine if that is what the community wants. There are certain drawbacks to this.

I simply like the aggressiveness that Apple has taken. The community can put "all its wood behind one arrow".

Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by hota_mazi on Thursday January 26, 2017 @04:58PM (#13495619)
I like the aggressiveness too but it's pretty common for very young languages because the cost is so low. Swift is not doing anything new there.
Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by melling on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:45PM (#13496040)
Really? I've been programming for almost 35 years and I can't think of many languages that made such big changes. Java, for example, is still compatible with 1.0.
Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by hota_mazi on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:39PM (#13496449)
Java is one language among hundreds that have come out these past twenty years.
Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by melling on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:04PM (#13496897)
Yes, I know that. You could provide your examples of some other popular languages that we all know about. Sure, it's easy to change a language no one uses, but when you've got hundreds of thousands of users, it's much harder.
Re:What's new in Swift 3.1 by breatheoften on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:08PM (#13497166)
pain(x) = Language upgrade pain after x years of development. That seems like a somewhat objective concept -- about which it is fairly hard to make guesses ... If I _had_ to guess though, because of the static type system and the process guiding swift's evolution, I would hazard that Swift 23 -> Swift 24 will be significantly easier than python 2 -> python 3 ...