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Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by hueving on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @08:50AM (#13481319)
The meddling in the elections in the US the Russians are being accused of has nothing to do with the actual election systems. It's related to impacting the public perception of a candidate by releasing dirt on one at opportune times.
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by pabloski on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @01:25PM (#13484251)
It is funny that the ones accusing Russia are the same who were in Maidan Square, haranguing the crowds to revolt against Yanukovich ( the democratically elected president ). So meddling is good in one direction and wrong in the other?
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by smsm42 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:17PM (#13485579)
Are you claiming members of US Congress and CIA and FBI and so on were literally on Maidan Square haranguing the crowds? If they were, they certainly managed to avoid being detected and recognized by anybody but you.

Or, more likely, to counter one propaganda you are just parroting another piece of propaganda.

Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by rudolf0 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:36PM (#13485767)
Or, more likely, both things are true (you know what he meant when he said "the ones") because intelligence agencies of superpowers are constantly trying to influence geopolitics in their government's favor.
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by smsm42 on Thursday January 26, 2017 @12:43PM (#13493411)
"because" here is completely wrong. From the fact that intelligence agencies of superpowers, in general, try to influence geopolitics, in general, does not follow in no manner that specific people performed specific actions at specific place.
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by rudolf0 on Thursday January 26, 2017 @02:28PM (#13494444)
True, one does not imply the other, so "because" is wrong. I meant to say that "Russia (presumably) retaliated because the US does it too."

Geopolitical inevitabilities aside, though, there is plenty of evidence for both the US and Russian governments' manipulations of other countries' elections.

Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by lisivka on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:18AM (#13482051)
And goal is to break trust between US government and US people.
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by autotypo on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:39AM (#13482223)
This should be a zero trust relationship by design. Instead we are forced to trust the untrustworthy.

Blaming convenient phantoms is sidestepping the problem.

Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by smsm42 on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @03:20PM (#13485606)
It can't be zero trust relationship - if you pay taxes and elect representatives, you trust they will not just do whatever they like with it and ignore you but do at least something useful to you. Of course, I would agree that people in general place way too much trust in government right now and that's why it was allowed to grow to current metastatic sizes and become so dangerous. But it does not mean it can function with zero trust - some trust is necessary, just not too much of it.
Re:Senior manager at Kaspersky arrested in Moscow by criddell on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @10:56AM (#13482400)
Well, there shouldn't be trust by default, but the government should be able to earn our trust on a department-by-department basis.

For example, I have quite a bit of trust in the CDC. I have less trust in the EPA. Trust is hard to earn but easy to lose.