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Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by rdtsc on Monday January 23, 2017 @12:27AM (#13459996)
For some reason I really like the phenomenon of "Fake News". It was an idea launched fairly quickly right after the election. It spread fast. All over the news. The media, and even Facebook and Google throwing their weight behind it.

Nobody quite knew what it was. Was it just Lizard People news or did it include all news from Fox or just some. Was it just Macedonian teenagers making money or was CNN also Fake News.

Then something happened. The mass media channels which invented and promoted Fake News ended up being labeled by it. Search for "Fake News" in image search on Google and CNN is right there. That was not the intended result I am sure. So the last I heard the idea is to now retire it due to inconvenience:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/its-time-to-r...

There is something sad and ironic about it. There is a pr lesson there as well perhaps...

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by kneel on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:51AM (#13460363)
The country went through mass hysteria after the election, first it was fake news, then russian hackers, then the usual blaming of demographs.

The news media was completely upended by Trump. He seemingly has a reality distortion field of his own. His first couple of days in office have been spent at war with the media, this is precedent being set. No doubt that Steve Bannon is pulling strings already.

I think we're going to see a brand new propaganda machine set up by his administration. It'll be interesting how they deal with the rapid fire groupthink that seems to patrol the internet nowadays. I definitely don't think this is comparable to anything that's happened before.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by akvadrako on Monday January 23, 2017 @04:00AM (#13460847)
Hey now, give Trump a chance to play with his existing toys before expecting yet another machine. There is this great one Obama signed into law around Christmas[1]:

> [The Global Engagement Center is] an interagency center housed at the State Department to coordinate and synchronize counter-propaganda efforts throughout the U.S. government. [The effort should] counter foreign propaganda and disinformation directed against United States national security interests and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support United States allies and interests.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_...

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by jakeogh on Monday January 23, 2017 @02:29AM (#13460502)
All of that is true, except (I bet) your prediction at the end. The reason he is such a threat to the established power is because he directly threatens their propaganda system. It's not a given that Trump will replace it with his own. We (in the US) legalized domestic funding of disinformation years ago. Enlisted PSYOP people have been in the major news agencies for a long time.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by cmurf on Monday January 23, 2017 @02:16AM (#13460457)
Confabulation.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by komerdoor on Monday January 23, 2017 @08:14AM (#13461933)
You noticed the same as I did. Google trends etc. will also show you this exact pattern and when exactly this "Fake News"-calling started. After a while it backfired when the ones they called "Fake News" pointed out how they are also reporting many things incorrectly. Source: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%2012-m&q=fa...

After a while they even started to use it in Europe and how our elections may also be affected by "Fake News" and how Russia is planting this. They even started EU government programs to counteract "Fake News" even on schools. Source (how to recognize fake news school program in the Netherlands): https://www.weekvandemediawijsheid.nl/mediamasters-universit... and https://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/141814/almere-bieb-ver...

This must all have been set up long time before they started to use it.

The only thing this did for me is making me take everything (all sides) less seriously. I cannot believe to live in a world like this where people keep this going while we talk about people their lives, health and our future. It should not be like a joke, it was all too obvious. Still many people think it is really something without there being any real proof of what it actually is.

One of the claimed proof of what they call "Fake News" (used many times to proof the existence of it) is someone (then unknown by all sides) that created an article about protesters being bused in by Soros or something while proven to not be true. The whole situation was too weird when people started to research the author. Source: http://www.snopes.com/anti-trump-protesters-bused-into-austi...

In reality Soros and his organizations (many part of the EU as well) sponsored and influenced many protests and still do. Read the leaked open society emails to learn about that. Source: http://soros.dcleaks.com and http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billio...

To be honest, while living in the EU, I am afraid to tell people how I see things (and I still try to be objective) because it is all getting more violent by the day. This is mostly still confined to the internet but I can already see this changing all around me especially with the EU elections nearing.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by JohnTHaller on Monday January 23, 2017 @08:04AM (#13461885)
Quite a few of us have been discussing fake/biased news for well over a year. When your feed shows you fake news people share from Brietbart and BlueNationReview, you tend to notice it.
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Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by sctb on Monday January 23, 2017 @03:39PM (#13465776)
This account has been posting plenty of uncivil and unsubstantive comments. We have to ask you to please stop and re-read the guidelines:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by dotnetisnotdead on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:22AM (#13460234)
See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not.

I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it.

We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and they are absolutely biased. News flash folks: the giant cheeto is absolutely right about that. And they DO NOT get right 100% of the time, yet Fox News does the same thing and we slam them for it! It's absolute nonsense and it's how we got here. By being divided and pretending we aren't doing what our "enemy" is.

The MLK bust thing is a great example. The crowds? Not that it should even matter but the picture being passed around and paraded all over CNN and 10,000 memes everywhere was a picture taken BEFORE the inauguration got under way. Though I do not believe Trump had a bigger crowd than Obama, it was bigger than what CNN was showing you and making a big deal out of it.

These. Things. Matter.

There are so many simple examples, if you call Fox News fake you have to call all of them fake.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by fudgie on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:56AM (#13460379)
You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg which shows that the image shared was correct.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by egberts1 on Monday January 23, 2017 @06:21AM (#13461390)
And the security checkpoints were choked at noon. I'm willing to bet that most people were trying to get in (me, for one) and got videos to show for it.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by DefaultUserHN on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @02:07AM (#13469405)
>You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration.

Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day.

Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day.

https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg

That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here...

http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png

Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's.

https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by roastbeef on Monday January 23, 2017 @03:31AM (#13460741)
even if it is which it's still not completely clear since there is no timestamp on that, it doesn't take into account many factors such as the widespread claim that security into the event was excessive and many people couldn't get in on time, nor the fact that for Obama there was a much larger local turn out, nor the fact that MANY people stayed home out of fear of violence from the left etc. The point is, the media making a story about attendance numbers was nothing more than a swipe at his legitimacy and THAT is the problem.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by JohnTHaller on Monday January 23, 2017 @08:00AM (#13461863)
Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news

Plus, your post is literally buying into the 'media downplayed Trump's crowd' and the 'picture was taken before the inauguration' fake news story. The picture was taken at the peak. They even released the video to prove it. Trump's crowd was about on par with George W Bush's. In other words, less than half the size of Obama's 2009 crowd.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by DefaultUserHN on Tuesday January 24, 2017 @02:15AM (#13469437)
>They even released the video to prove it.

Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day.

Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day.

https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg

That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here...

http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png

Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's.

https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

>Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time...

It's ironic that Fox news was so biased before. But this election, Fox News did good. Fox was the only news media that actually show both sides of the story, while the rest of the news media were overwhelmingly biased against Trump.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by JohnTHaller on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @12:56PM (#13483909)
The front low-angle picture is the one Trump fans use to "disprove" the story. Its angle hides the swaths of empty space that were filled during Obama's first inauguration. Not to mention that the low-angle front picture obscures the Obama 2009 crowd spilling out the sides.

The picture you linked was taken earlier in the day, but is not the one used in the comparisons on news sites. That picture was taken around the time the Obama 2009 one was taken and shows Trump's crowd slightly more filled in: http://i.imgur.com/17nLdRl.jpg

Obama's inauguration broke all records and Trump's didn't come close. The scary point is that Trump felt the need to lie about it. They even admitted it with their "alternative facts" line. Openly lying about things that are demonstrably false is his way of distracting from other issues.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by DefaultUserHN on Friday January 27, 2017 @03:02AM (#13498392)
Your photo showing Trump had little people actually came from 8 AM in the morning, as by the upload time-stamp here:

http://imgur.com/cLiofdu

Notice the time-stamp.

The following photo show way more people: https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg

Here is a photo showing near back end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's.

https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by JohnTHaller on Friday January 27, 2017 @10:06PM (#13504636)
Incorrect. Compare it to your 8am photo and it is much more filled in. Please post another rear image from the Washington monument to properly compare the two. Or keep posting low-angle front-shot photos to fit your personal narrative.
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Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by dotnetisnotdead on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:51AM (#13460364)
Here is one thing Fox News does do: give us information about things the rest of them don't want to think about. Ever see what happens to coverage when a shooter/attacker is Muslim?

8:30am (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) MASS SHOOTER AT UNIVERSITY!!! FRONT PAGE!!

Information Released that suspect is Somali immigrant

8:40am (Fox News ) Police are saying shooter is Somali immigrant (CNN et al) Leaves up original page with update added that shooter may be a Somali immigrant

Information released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife

9:00am (Fox News) Information was released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife (CNN et al) Front page: Look! someone taught a dog how to water ski!!

The rest of the day Fox details the history of the suspect, pictures and supporting info and the others bury it completely.

This has happened numerous times over the last few months. Is this better for us?

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by AstralStorm on Monday January 23, 2017 @02:12AM (#13460444)
Was it really especially notable or was it cheap news on inflammatory issue?

What are the consequences of such publicity for a known terrorist group?

I do not know the answers, probably nobody does, front page of a news site and a newspaper is a thing of tremendous value and not to be used lightly.

The more interesting part is what does not get reported by either side, which is the additional say 10 murders at the same time in other parts of the US.

Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by rdtsc on Monday January 23, 2017 @04:12AM (#13460907)
Just because Fox News is biased doesn't automatically make the opposing media channels unbiased or better. I posit that before the election started some of those channels at least did a token / minimum amount of work to appear impartial. During the election that pretence was dropped. They have basically sunk to the level of Fox News.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by dotnetisnotdead on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:41AM (#13460332)
You're absolutely right about that, they spun the wars pretty hard and the other media outlets criticized them... until BO took office.
Re:Fake News Hysteria Just Creates More Uncertainty in What ... by tritosomal on Monday January 23, 2017 @01:48AM (#13460350)
Yes, when that happened the Fox News constituency took it about as hard as the rest of the world is taking Trump right now.

Indeed, the note of defeat in your average Fox News personality's voice was palpable.

They were washed up has-beens for the next few years and they knew it. In terms of a 24 hour news cycle that's eons.