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Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by oculusthrift on Sunday January 22, 2017 @01:40PM (#13456451)
they've never cared about the "free market" or "big government". it's always been about whatever argument works best in the moment to help wealthy donors and destroy the planet the fastest with global warming.
Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by cloakandswagger on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:00PM (#13457433)
I think you're wrong there. The "old guard" conservatives actually walked the walk when it came to their free market ideals, and a big part of globalization was enabled by them.

There seems to be a new strain of conservatism being lead by Trump which seems to be a marriage of formerly liberal populism (protect workers, rebuild middle class, bring back factory jobs, socialized healthcare) and conservative economics.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by nerfhammer on Sunday January 22, 2017 @06:36PM (#13458396)
Conservatives have a uniquely American small-government ideology.

Trump is essentially a European right-wing populist, something that hasn't really existed in America before.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by CalChris on Sunday January 22, 2017 @07:43PM (#13458740)
> Conservatives have a uniquely American small-government ideology.

No. Unless you think that defense spending is not part of the government. This is per capita spending by year:

https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending...

Actually, George W Bush signed the spending bills for 2009. But the central point remains that conservatives (Republicans) hold no claim to fiscal conservatism.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by nerfhammer on Sunday January 22, 2017 @07:50PM (#13458767)
> hold no claim to fiscal conservatism.

You can say they act inconsistently with their claims but it's another thing to say they never even claim it. I think they do often claim this.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by CalChris on Sunday January 22, 2017 @09:17PM (#13459188)
I think we're misunderstanding each other. Yes, of course conservatives claim fiscal conservatism. But when I say they hold no claim, it's an almost archaic phrase meaning yeah, they can say it but don't actually own the claim.

Bluntly, according to their record, conservatives are not fiscal conservatives. They just dress that way.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by nerfhammer on Sunday January 22, 2017 @10:03PM (#13459391)
Sure. So, it's part of their ideology. That's what I was saying.
Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by matwood on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:17PM (#13457529)
Yeah, the old guard would be considered libertarian now.
Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by woofyman on Sunday January 22, 2017 @05:59PM (#13458168)
>socialized healthcare

You're not paying attention. They're talking about access to insurance. Sure, I have access to a private Gulfstream jet, but that doesn't mean I can afford it.

Re:New Wyoming bill forbids utilities from using renewables by oculusthrift on Sunday January 22, 2017 @04:42PM (#13457707)
when? we saw the same big wheeling deficit creating policies in the bush years. definitely not just trump.