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Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by LordHumungous on Thursday January 19, 2017 @02:21PM (#13438667)
>The commercial airline industry has lost money over the whole of its existence.

Wait, what? How can that be possible? Wouldn't the airlines cease to exist if they never generated profits?

Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by matthewowen on Thursday January 19, 2017 @03:52PM (#13439363)
Not saying this is the case here, but the answer is by bankruptcy and continual capital investments.

Let's assume that some small number of airlines continually make small profits (or at least break even). That creates a non-negative balance.

However, let's assume that a number of other airlines are frequently being established and receiving capital investment, before ultimately failing and declaring bankruptcy.

If the losses those airlines represent outweigh the positive balance from our successes, then the industry loses money, despite some players continuing to exist.

To take it further: if you assume people keep making capital investments with capital drawn from other industries, it's possible that the industry continues to exist even whilst no company generates profits in the long term.

Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by btilly on Thursday January 19, 2017 @03:57PM (#13439419)
This is possible thanks to Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

In most countries when you go bankrupt, you go out of business. In the US you usually go into Chapter 11. This lets you default on some of your debt, renegotiate contracts, and then come out of bankruptcy stronger than before.

The problem with this is shown with airlines. They would all make a profit if they could just lose some of them. Unfortunately whenever that looks like it might happen, the loser goes into Chapter 11, enjoys a competitive advantage, recovers, and comes out of it stronger. Then someone else goes bankrupt.

Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by 1_2__3 on Thursday January 19, 2017 @08:48PM (#13441158)
That... Doesn't match history at all. Mergers have been far more dominant in recent years than bankruptcies, but you ignore them completely.
Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by btilly on Friday January 20, 2017 @12:45PM (#13445453)
It is a very large piece of the long-term puzzle for how airlines are still in business despite having lost money consistently.

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/29/142909836/is-bankruptcy-busine...

That said, consolidation through mergers has happened recently. We will see how that plays out going forward.

Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by marcosdumay on Thursday January 19, 2017 @03:30PM (#13439206)
There are subsides, and there is a difference between "losing money most of the time" and "losing money on average".
Re:Why I don't believe in Uber's Success by nesyt on Thursday January 19, 2017 @02:32PM (#13438754)
I'm not sure where the parent is drawing that claim from but I imagine they could continue to exist with government subsidies.