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Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by grepthisab on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:16PM (#13430867)
When you say anonymous, how do you mean it? As in: the interviewer meets face-to-face without a resume in front of them, or the interviewer has a resume but the interview is done over the phone, or a phone interview with no resume?
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by rudolf0 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:24PM (#13430943)
Well, for one, you can hide contact info from a resume (which is still stored in a system somewhere, with a unique ID).

And you can also make the early stages of your interview email or text-chat based (or just a Google Doc, like some companies do), to eliminate any potential bias in things that can be inferred from voice like accent, region, and gender.

Obviously once they're on-site for an interview, you can't anonymize much anymore, but anonymizing every stage before that seems like a win-win to me (excluding potential costs of implementing the system).

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by grepthisab on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:58PM (#13431271)
It's difficult. I remember coming out of school, employers tried to anonymize for various things, especially with respect to things like race. Black students would, in an anonymized resume with contact info removed for example, state that they were "Treasurer for the Black Students Association" or "NAACP Volunteer", or things to that effect.

My point is that I think that an Asian person, applying to a company known to be favorable toward Asians in hiring, would signal their ethnicity somehow in their resume. At least, that would be the smart play for that person.

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by saulrh on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:08PM (#13431348)
Build a loop into the workflow for "You're insufficiently anonymous, resubmit", with a special way to enter "significant award/position/membership with deanonymizing title, X level of prestige/selectivity/membership"? Might be valuable anyway so you don't accidentally get peoples' personal biases into play - different people will weight "NAACP award" very differently.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by Scea91 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:43PM (#13431111)
If you anonymize it and make it completely chat based how do you make sure that the person you are chatting with is really the applicant and not someone else?
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by yarou on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:47PM (#13431150)
You'd need a third party that you both trust. If you both don't trust anyone, there are ways around that too...
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by r00fus on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:05PM (#13431328)
Blockchain for hiring/interviews?
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by ythn on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:03PM (#13432053)
Blockchain + machine learning
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by foxyv on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:56PM (#13431260)
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by bubbleRefuge on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:40PM (#13431081)
Well, I can tell the way sentences are formed in many cases if I'm dealing with a native speaker or not.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by hueving on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:47PM (#13431160)
Would you kindly do the willingly and explain how? :)
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by gotrecruit on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:18PM (#13432117)
You mean do the needful?
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by zaroth on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:20PM (#13431828)
Maybe add </s> next time, although the smiley should have been a dead giveaway.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by mschuster91 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:07PM (#13431737)
It's pretty easy, but also pretty rough - if you're good, you can certainly distinguish between an American, a British or an Indian English-speaking person writing.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by grepthisab on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:15PM (#13431782)
I could be missing the mark here, but I'm pretty sure you were replying to satire. Based on the grammar used and smiley face.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by mixmastamyk on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:46PM (#13431604)
Explaining the human brain's ability to pattern match will take more than a few sentences.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by rudolf0 on Thursday January 19, 2017 @01:31PM (#13438155)
But whether someone is a native speaker is a trait that someone can legally and rightfully discriminate over. It's perfectly reasonable to reject someone if you think their English skills aren't sufficiently good. It's not reasonable or legal to reject them just because they were born in a different country.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by coredog64 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:38PM (#13431918)
I find it pretty easy to distinguish between people educated in the US and those not educated in the US after a fairly small sample of writing.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by pps43 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:52PM (#13432296)
Interesting. Any telltale signs? I'm assuming it's not the difference between native English speaker and ESL, but specific words or grammar patterns? Can you tell from my comment history whether I was educated in the US?
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by sokoloff on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @10:30PM (#13432746)
I spent <5 minutes on it. I'd guess that you're not US educated (or at least not a native US English speaker).

The "tell" that I'm primarily relying upon is that you often drop articles where a US-native speaker would use them. Just one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13197570 (that was as far back as I went) I think most native US speakers would use "the gun industry" and "the film industry". Several later comments drop an "an" or "a" article as well.

You also have a habit of using a comma splice rather than a semi-colon to join sentences, but that one is harder to place geographically, as it's a somewhat common trait within the US as well. In my experience, it is often a trait of European native speakers who learned English as a second language, but is less reliable than dropped articles.

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by davidgay on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @11:17PM (#13432967)
Dropped articles is a good indicator of (most) Slavic language speakers, but not of most European languages. E.g., French would not have dropped those definite articles either.

Definite article rules do vary a little bit, though, so extra definite articles would be a good indicator of European native speakers...

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by pps43 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @10:45PM (#13432814)
Correct on both counts, although it's not quite clear how much of the difference is from place of education rather than native language. Math is the same no matter where you study it, at least in theory. Probably need a bigger sample.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by smnscu on Thursday January 19, 2017 @07:18AM (#13435176)
That was an incredibly obvious example. My favorite telltale sign for native English speakers is the rampant misspelling of trivialities like it(')s, you(')r(e), etc. I've seen so many well educated peers fail at basic grammar, or misspelling common words (e.g. electrisity, from a CS undergrad) that I'm comfortable making this generalization.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by jnky on Thursday January 19, 2017 @01:31PM (#13438157)
My favorite sign for native English speakers is "could of" instead of "could have"/"could've".

I have never witnessed that mistake with non native English speakers.

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by pps43 on Thursday January 19, 2017 @09:18AM (#13435907)
The question was not whether I'm a native English speaker (obviously not), but whether I was educated in the US. I believe the latter is a much harder question.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by oculusthrift on Thursday January 19, 2017 @03:37AM (#13434131)
communication skills and personality can be really integral to the hiring process. many would rather have a good communicator than a slightly better engineer. your way removes this.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by tossracct88 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:57PM (#13431265)
I applied at Treehouse learning and they have a take on 'anonymous' hiring. It's 'anonymous' in that they don't see the resume you submit, or so they claim, until after reviewing short essay answers to some questions.

No knowledge of tools used, name, DOB, companies you have worked at previously, is where Treehouse starts in assessing your application materials.

These were silly simple questions, like assign an empty array to a variable in Python, then append N items to it, and print it on the screen. No FizzBuzz at this stage anyway.

More like "describe how you would handle situation X" or "walk through how you'd solve this real problem we recently saw, given this information".

My intuition suggests they are assessing communication skill first. stuff like tone and clarity in writing. I can't say if that's accurate or they were looking for a "right answer" type response, however.

FWIW, it was actually the easiest application process I've been through. Something about the anonymous part made me feel more relaxed. Like I'll be judged on my own words, not a bullet list of skills. That said, didn't hear from them. :-/

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by jdavis703 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:25PM (#13430954)
I think they're referring to something like the blind auditions orchestras used to deal with their own gender disparity issues.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by insickness on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:19PM (#13431818)
We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews.

https://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-ma...

Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by smnscu on Thursday January 19, 2017 @07:21AM (#13435192)
Your project is something I had in mind as a potential idea for a long time, and the fact that you went as far as doing that is insane, in the best possible way. Kudos, guess you've just gained a new newsletter subscriber.
Re:U.S. sues Oracle, alleges salary and hiring discrimination by johansch on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:31PM (#13431002)
Native English speakers would then need to fake an "asian" accent?