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Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by hsod on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:39PM (#13421536)
It's actually explicitly in the Constitution:

"The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

Article II, Section 2

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by akjainaj on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:41PM (#13421554)
So it's only possible if it was something that was done against the US?
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by tannhauser23 on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:45PM (#13421607)
Yes, the President can only pardon/commute federal offenses. (That's what 'Offences Against the United States' means here). The President cannot pardon/commute prisoners who have been convicted of state crimes - only the relevant state governors can do that. Manning was convicted of federal crimes.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by rtkwe on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:50PM (#13421655)
'Against the US' is broad and imprecise. From the DOJ's web page on executive clemency.

> “The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Thus, the President’s authority to grant clemency is limited to federal offenses and offenses prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia in the name of the United States in the D.C. Superior Court. An offense that violates a state law is not an offense against the United States.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co...

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by mikeash on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:43PM (#13421585)
Right, which means federal crimes, not state crimes. The President won't be granting pardons to ordinary murderers, unless the murder took place on federal lands.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by chriscappuccio on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:46PM (#13423025)
Actually, murder isn't a federal crime.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:07PM (#13423140)
> Actually, murder isn't a federal crime.

Actually, murder is a federal crime, see 18 USC Secs. 1111, 1114, and 1118-1121.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-51

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by dragonwriter on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:01PM (#13423113)
"against the US" means crimes under US (federal) law.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by maxerickson on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:42PM (#13421573)
The president is granted the power to pardon by the same document that establishes the separation of powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_Stat...

It's not a super long document.

http://constitutionus.com/

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by akjainaj on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:58PM (#13421773)
I am not American so I don't know the constitution of the US. It was an innocent question but people here seemed not to like it somehow.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by DanBC on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @05:23PM (#13422024)
I suspect some of the downvotes are because you use the word "guy". Manning is a woman.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by chiph on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:51PM (#13421669)
> Isn't it a risk, that the president can pardon whoever he wants?

You're probably too young to remember the kerfuffle when Ford pardoned Nixon. Lots of allegations that it had been planned in advance. And it is likely a big reason why Ford lost his election campaign in 1976.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

The interesting thing in that article is that a pardon carries an implication of guilt, and accepting a pardon carries a confession of guilt (Burdick v. United States). So if Chelsea had offered and accepted a pardon, her reputation would have been negatively affected, unlike if she had been found innocent at the courts martial.

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by andrewbinstock on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:53PM (#13421686)
It is viewed as a measure of last resort to rectify an injustice. Reigning monarchs had this power throughout most of Western history; and the tradition was carried on to modern heads of state.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by at-fates-hands on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:47PM (#13421621)
It's covered pretty well in depth here:

http://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/7674/why-is-the-...

Some of the finer points:

- A presidential pardon is for federal crimes. The president cannot pardon someone for a state crime (or a crime committed subject to a local jurisdiction whose power is derived from a state).

- Presidential pardons are reinforced by the constitutional prohibitions against double jeopardy and ex post facto laws. Once a person has been pardoned for a federal crime, the federal government (and any territories or districts that derive their power from the federal government) cannot re-try the pardonee for that crime.

As pointed by another person in the same thread which really answers your question:

- Fourth major benefit of pardons: Presidential pardons are about checks and balances. The legislative system has determined a law, the judicial system has determined an infraction of that law, and with a pardon the presidential system can react to a mistake made by either the legislative or judicial branch.

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by MaxfordAndSons on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:48PM (#13421633)
Well the executive branch (which the President heads) is responsible for "[executing and enforcing] orders of the court through federal law enforcement" (wikipedia). So, the courts decide how the law is applied, but the executive branch enacts the orders as given by the judicial branch, and is thus also responsible for determining when exceptions are to be made to the enactment of those orders.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by tangent128 on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:46PM (#13421613)
The Constitution explicitly grants the President the power to issue pardons. (And states similarly grant that power to governors, typically.)

The President in in charge of federal law enforcement; the risk of non-enforcement is already greater than the risk of random pardons.

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:00PM (#13422319)
Manning is a woman, not a guy. It is fucking disgusting how many people here want to misgender her.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:09PM (#13422388)
This is an issue you (along with many others) are very passionate about. An earlier comment you made I think describes this particularly eloquently and civilly.

She was always a woman; she just presented as a man for many years. The NYT presented the information quite well when they said, "Ms. Manning was still known as Bradley Manning when she deployed with her unit to Iraq in late 2009."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13422094

You're also very aware that a lot of people are not on the same page with you. Some are trying to figure it out for themselves, some have made up their mind. I think it's commendable that they're willing to do so in a public forum and for the most part civilly, particularly on an issue that has been historically as divisive as this. Let's encourage this discussion in a constructive manner and leave strong, insulting language out of it, regardless of how strongly we may feel about the issue. I completely understand how frustrating it can be when you feel like you're constantly repeating yourself and no one's listening. It would be great if people could be convinced over the course of 30 minutes, but I doubt that's realistically going to happen.

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Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:42PM (#13422632)
Please note I never claimed it was. I believe as you do that language is important. That includes choosing language I think will accomplish my goals, which is to encourage people to reflect and think about the issue. I don't think using language like "fucking disgusting" and "transphobic" are likely to convince the people you hope to reach to do anything other than get defensive and dig in. Do you?

And Hacker News will downvote tone and civility, regardless of the opinion. It's very easy to see that as an attack when it's happening to you. I see the same behavior on all sides of issues. When I find myself getting particularly heated, I find it better to refrain from commenting at all, not because I'm afraid of getting downvoted, but because I know it's not going to lead to any useful discussion.

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by KirinDave on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @02:01AM (#13424641)
Gosh! If only Adrienne had tapped into an infinite well of patience and politeness maybe some of the folks here who very literally equate trans people with dangerous mental instability will come around.

Civility is content, language itself is arbitrary. Pretend I were to say, "Sir, the fact that you're a cishet man makes you incapable of rational thought on this matter. I hope that the new administration gives you the electroshock therapy you need to normalize to a rational being and not a dangerous predator."

That is a civil set of words, but a profoundly uncivil and dangerous tone. And that's being repeated over and over in this forum and NOT being rated down.

Further, it's absolutely hypocritical that we cheerfully upvote the most uncivil of emails by Linus Torvalds and banal screeds about "Getting Shit Done" but the instant someone uses energized language when talking about racism or sexism, then suddenly a completely different set of standards apply because this is politics and that's different.

Civility is entirely removed from the playing field when someone's human rights and dignity are in question. That is a final line before we convert someone into something akin to an animal. And that is a very real line that Manning has faced throughout this entire ordeal. In the same sense that were you to try and stab someone, they should not apologize if they hurt you while defending themselves.

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Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:46PM (#13422661)
Yet you continue to post. In all honesty, why do so? This is not meant in any way as a criticism. You've expressed this opinion of the HN community many times, so I'm genuinely interested why you continue to do so.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:54PM (#13422717)
Think of me as a particularly disapproving Greek chorus.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:01PM (#13422756)
As I pointed out in my initial comment, I personally value your comments when you're civil. I think they add to the overall discussion. I don't think anyone on Hacker News needs a "particularly disapproving Greek chorus" of any particular opinion. Less charitable people might argue it's indistinguishable from trolling. It's distracting and leads to bad faith and flamewar discussions, and is explicitly against community guidelines. I sincerely wish you the best and hope that you continue to engage constructively and positively, even when you disagree or believe people to be unreasonable. Best wishes.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by KirinDave on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @02:06AM (#13424659)
From what I've seen, you're the sort of person who "values" the input of marginalized opinion so long as you're firmly in control of the conversation and are allowed to shout them down at any time.

Examine who and what you are defending here. You've desperate clung to this driftwood of a "rational" debate, which is of course a complete charade. What "constructive" and "positive" debate can be had here?

I have prepared a nice play which sums up the transphobic part of this thread. Forgive me the formatting, HN is a bit difficult to coerce. Please do consider auditioning for the part modeled after your actions.

C: "Hello. I am attempting to live my life as a woman. To live any other way is unbearable."

HNA: "You are a man and a bad one at that!"

HNB: "Your particular brand of mental illness must be painful."

HNC: "The objective reality is that you have a penis therefore are a man."

HND: "Can you even have a period? Everyone knows all women can have periods. HA!"

HNE: "These snowflakes, we should round them all up."

Someone Sane: "This is vile. This is totally wrong. You are fucking monsters."

You: "Now now, watch your language."

Someone Sane: "Really? My language."

You: "One cannot hope to have a civil discourse with one so emotional and foulmouthed. How can you hope to debate your betters with such language? Tut tut."

Someone Sane: "I wasn't planning on debating them. Their points are beneath contempt, unscientific, and dehumanizing."

You: sighs smugly "That, my little snowflake, is the problem. They've already won by logic, all you bring to the table is curse words. Why can't you be more fair?" sips box wine "Now run along and play."

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by kjbflsudfb on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:44PM (#13422642)
I ask this seriously and not cynically: What are you trying to achieve with these comments? Are you hoping to educate people? Are you trying to scold people for not knowing better? The content of the article isn't about Manning's gender association, but your comments are only about that. I would suspect any downvotes are simply because it is off-topic..?
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:46PM (#13422660)
Even if you assume my comments are pointless pedantry - since when has pointless pedantry been uncommon or unwelcome on Hacker News?

It is wrong to misgender people. It is unacceptable. Why is it somehow more terrible to point that out than it is to do it in the first place?

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by kjbflsudfb on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:51PM (#13422697)
"Even if you assume my comments are pointless pedantry..."

Where did I use those words?

Responses like this make it hard for me to learn from the other person. Maybe you feel like we should all already know these things, but that simply is not reality. It is not always because the person is "transphobic", as you put it, but simply uneducated on a particular topic.

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Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by kjbflsudfb on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:10PM (#13422820)
And yet I see multiple HN commenters discussing this topic. It may not be how you would prefer it be discussed; however, this is how people become educated. I think the mistake here is to reply to civil comments in an uncivil way because you don't feel that they are appropriately aware of trans issues.

I would think anyone who wants to help educate others on these issues would welcome such a discussion.

Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:57PM (#13423089)
Misgendering people is uncivil. It is insulting and dehumanizing. Why don't you start requiring civilty from your fellow HN commenters, rather than just me?
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Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @09:48PM (#13423581)
Please don't create accounts to take swipes at people.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by akjainaj on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:09PM (#13422809)
No offence, but you really sound angered and I feel somehow responsible--different people have different political views about all issues (everything is politics, after all) and we have to live with that fact. You are not going to convince others by insulting them. Also, HN is not the place to try and convince anybody to think the way you do, because that leads to flamewars (if you have an opinion, you'll stick to it, no?), and guys here detest flamewars. Just my two cents, greetings.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:54PM (#13423072)
Yes, it's true that everything is politics! Misgendering people is transphobic politics! It shows a tremendous lack of respect for people and it's deeply offensive; that doesn't change because it's done in a "civil" tone.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by grzm on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:15PM (#13422861)
To nitpick:

  s/guys here/HN members/
While guys can sometimes be understood to refer to a group of either sex, it's best not to generalize like this. I don't think that's a particularly political opinion.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by archemike_ on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:46AM (#13425436)
Actually, Chelsea may indeed have considered herself a he during the epoch of Bradley(we don't know and shouldn't proclaim) so by you in proclaiming that you can't use he for referring to bradley, may in fact be misgendering in of itself as you're proclaiming bradley should be referred to as "she" when for all we know Chelsea could rightfully so refer to Bradley epoch as "he". This would be misgendering.
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by adrienne on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @04:04PM (#13430261)
Except she has very clearly stated her preference in this regard, and that is trivial to discover. Why are you people so afraid to Google things?
Re:Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence by angry_octet on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @09:53AM (#13426661)
I would like to think that in ten years the overwhelming weight of opinion will be respectful of gender identity. At the moment that definitely isn't the case.

The consistent use of quotes around pronouns, as in "'she'", and use of 'they', as if there is confusion, is a subtle but deliberate way to indicate that the author thinks gender identity is all a bit fake. Its puerile behaviour from people who should know better.