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Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by usaphp on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:33PM (#13406762)
Is your product specialized to technical users? I've noticed that businesses with more technical clients have harder time getting customers via ads, because most technical users don't click on ads
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by tonyedgecombe on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:54AM (#13408706)
I suspect most technical users don't see ads anymore.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by bigbugbag on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:15AM (#13408957)
haven't ads disappeared from the web 10 years ago ?

It is always a harsh return to a sad web experience when I have to use someone else computer who don't know about ad blockers. Almost unbearable, to the point that I first grant them the magic of ublock orgin before anything else. They thank me profusely and never go back to the ad riddled experience of the web.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:36PM (#13406786)
Indeed; you can see some links in my profile. Our product is unquestionably a big-ticket, slow-moving, long-sales-cycle kind of thing.

However, there were plenty of clicks. I've just never had a single sale, and only a very small handful of low-quality enquiries, despite lots of traffic.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by soared on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:46PM (#13406847)
Well that's very possibly an attribution issue. Those clicks led to traffic, and if the sales cycle is long those clicks will take months to convert. Unless you are tracking sessions back to their source months after the fact, you can't really know if those ads led to conversions or not.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:57PM (#13406907)
No, not with definitive certainty. However, the traffic volumes involved are low enough that I have a pretty good idea of how people that buy came to know about the product or came to visit the site for the first time. A high percentage of the time, they tell me.

Never, ever have I heard, "Saw your ad on Google".

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by Fnoord on Sunday January 15, 2017 @06:41PM (#13407178)
Not saying you're wrong but the goal of advertising is not necessarily a direct, short term effect of increase in sales. It could be brand recognition, which can be activated via subliminal messaging. E.g. "I heard of you before but I don't quite remember where". I'd also say that's good. If a customer found a product from a review site, that means the customer is an informed subject who is convinced they're buying the right product. Discussion fora is more of a toss up as quality and premises of discussion can be anything really.

Re: article. The screencast (that's how that's called, right?) shows 'this visitor scrolls different' and claims that is how a mobile user scrolls. But that is also how a trackpad (laptop) user who skims through the content scrolls. Basically, its how one 'scans'. Scanning is useful to determine if content is interesting.

Anyway. Its also possible we are talking bots here. Is this possibly the effect of Ad Nauseam [1]?

[1] https://adnauseam.io

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Sunday January 15, 2017 @06:53PM (#13407253)
I agree with you. The primary purpose of my web sites and ad campaigns is marketing, not sales.

Nevertheless, some proceeds in the latter sphere must eventually be realised from the former, by means however diffuse...

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by soared on Sunday January 15, 2017 @06:10PM (#13406998)
Yeah, I hear you. I would never rely on someone telling you. If you integrate adwords with salesforce you can truly track the customer from the first click to conversion, even months later. Could be worth looking into if you want to optimize your marketing spend.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by argonaut on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:55AM (#13408890)
Have you ever heard that they saw you on Google at all? I feel like a lot of people fail to remember the distinction between ad results and search results.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by KaoruAoiShiho on Sunday January 15, 2017 @06:04PM (#13406953)
To me this immediately stood out to me as the real issue. Even for smallish products I click on an ad and rarely buy on the first visit. But I remember the name and come back to look for the product later on.

This is why tracking is so important. @Parent what is a conversion to you? Maybe you should add something light that the user can do that gives you a sense of their interest other than a purchase.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Sunday January 15, 2017 @06:24PM (#13407083)
Usually, that latter function is served by the contact form. The intent of the site is to give them just enough info that they are motivated to contact us to learn more, after which they go in our CRM (Close.io, following @patio11's recommendation of it) and get extensive follow-up over what is, as you correctly surmised, often a very protracted evaluation and sales cycle. It's not uncommon for the subsequent back-and-forth to take months or, in some cases, even years, before (if) there is any real traction.

My organic traffic behaves about as I expect; they often fill out the contact form and we end up having a productive chat. Paid ad traffic, however, unfailingly bounces.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by woogiewonka on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @12:27AM (#13415391)
The problem is in your approach. Try switching from asking to giving in exchange for email. Then nurture the lead through email and you'll see much better results. The money is in the lists.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @06:27PM (#13422513)
Thanks for the tip. But how do you suggest, within the logic of the site and my product, that I give in exchange for email? What should I offer? I can't just wall off all information behind a demand for contact info. If they have no inkling of what's behind the wall, there's no reason for them to provide it.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by builtinbuffalo on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:40PM (#13406810)
I know your product and space well - you'd be better off with getting people on an email list via a content giveaway to start your marketing. You need a lot more top of funnel and long term engagement marketing to convince your prospects to buy.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by abalashov on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:46PM (#13406844)
That is undoubtedly true, though I lack the expertise and time to properly implement and manage that sort of thing. All I can do is to try to be a prominent and useful member of the ecosystem in our corner of the FOSS VoIP world and attract enquiries on that basis.

I don't see sales to be my problem, but rather marketing. I'm content with the ease with which prospects are persuaded to buy when they come through the door, but there are just far too few opportunities to have those conversations.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by ar15saveslives on Sunday January 15, 2017 @08:52PM (#13407765)
I sell an OSX app for advanced users, and as you said, they don't click on ads and it would make more sense to heat my house with $20 bills instead sending them to fb/adwords.

However, I ran 2-day flash-sale and it went unexpectedly good. I never thought devs and tech-savvy people visit websites like that.

Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by patrickk on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:42PM (#13412365)
Anecdotally, I never click ads (they're all blocked with years) but I do respond to "deals" site in my local market. If it's something I vaguely though I'd like, seeing it recommended on a deal site is sometimes enough to make me buy it. Something worth noting for those selling to a HN type demographic.
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by mordant on Monday January 16, 2017 @12:12AM (#13408333)
Link?
Re:Google and Facebook ad traffic is 90% useless by somid3 on Sunday January 15, 2017 @05:34PM (#13406773)
No. Anyone with a career in a large org.