Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by simcop2387 on Saturday January 14, 2017 @07:02AM
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I think that's one thing that's different vs the US. It's not the car being charged but an individual. That's the article's point that in the US they can't arbitrarily decide that someone was responsible for a crime like that, it's a direct violation of our requirement of due process and other proceedings.
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by gambiting on Saturday January 14, 2017 @07:54AM
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But I am not required by law to keep the record of every single person driving that car, am I? Like I said, I can, to my best effort, know that on the evening of day X, 3 people drove my car, because they were all running errands. I don't know the exact times when they were all using it, but I am happy to supply the list of names.
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by masklinn on Saturday January 14, 2017 @08:13AM
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> But I am not required by law to keep the record of every single person driving that car, am I?
No, but if you do not it's on your head, you are personally responsible for the use of your motor vehicle.
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by sethrin on Saturday January 14, 2017 @09:26AM
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it's reasonable to expect that a person know where their car is, but that does not amount to a legal requirement to do so, as you have admitted. In point of fact, you are not responsible for what other people do with your things. If you borrow a gun from me and shoot someone, I cannot be held liable for that shooting. Ownership may imply responsibility, but not liability.
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by FireBeyond on Saturday January 14, 2017 @07:22PM
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Yeah, you left out a part of that.
"If you borrow a gun from me, and I don't know that you did, and you don't or won't tell me that you did... oh well. shrug" becomes your expectation of what should happen next.
"Oh sorry, you weren't driving your vehicle, and you have no idea who was, when it was involved in that accident. But you know it wasn't stolen. Guess there's nothing more we can do here, have a nice day."
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by sethrin on Saturday January 14, 2017 @08:33PM
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You're arguing that because a gun or car is dangerous, ownership implies liability. There are few things which can be possessed which cannot be dangerous in the wrong hands, and a car is not actually intended for the purpose of murder, so one should probably not judge it by that standard. However, I did explicitly consider the case of an inherently dangerous object, so I cannot have left out that part as you suggest. I am really not sure what part of this concept you could possibly have an objection to. You know we're talking about a car, right, not a hydrogen bomb? Surely you can do better than that?
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by lisivka on Saturday January 14, 2017 @09:36AM
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If someone is killed by your gun and you don't tell who, you will be jailed at least.
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by sethrin on Saturday January 14, 2017 @09:45AM
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This is not phrased such that it can be said to be true or false. Yes, accessory to murder is a felony itself. Accessory to speeding is not, and being ignorant of the crime is the opposite of accessory. Would you like to rephrase your objections?
Re:I Turned a Routine Traffic Ticket into a Constitutional T...
by lisivka on Saturday January 14, 2017 @12:41PM
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Car is dangerous. It's easy to kill someone by accident using car, just by pressing accelerator pedal long enough. Just compare number of killed or injured by a car and by a weapon. Car is still the most dangerous thing we have: http://www.vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-deaths-co... .
Because you're the person responsible for the vehicle. That's literally what "responsible" means. It's your job as a car owner to ensure situations like this, where you don't know who was driving, don't happen.